The count I mention 4x 4x 4x 4x is only the framework for the bpm. I mentioned it is my base pattern, I too experiment with variations including 5x 4x 5x 4x and the 2x 4x 2x x put forth by the UR group. McHawi, it is funny that you mention a seven fold pattern because that is the count I used to use with the Hexagram rituals as it fits nicely with the symbolism of ARARITA and the seven planetary energies, etc.
As I stated, I am quite aware that this is overkill, and I greatly appreciate that the two of you have taken the time to entertain this discussion. I think we are all aware that regardless of the precise breath count we will arrive at the same metaphorical "death" at which point the body will assume its natural breathing pattern and we don't have to worry about keeping a strict count. However, I keep finding that initially slowing down the bpm between the counts(whether the count be 4x, 7x, or anything else) from about 72bpm(heart rate) down to 52-60 results in achieving that trance or meditative state much faster than I would normally. The interesting thing, at least in my practice, is that there is a point of diminishing returns. If I slow down the bpm to less than the "optimal" 52-60bpm range it becomes more of a hindrance than a facilitator as the strain of holding and exhaling breaths at that slow a pace inevitably brings awareness back to the physical body.
I know, I know, I am just fishing for that "magic" number (IMG:
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