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Kinjo
post Jan 29 2006, 11:15 AM
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During my internet years, I found info like Jesus married Maria Magdalena, went to India and studied there, that he did not die on the cross. I'm not sure what to believe in. Yesterday, I finished reading Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code and in it I again read what I've found + Sarah, Jesus's daughter and how Constantine used the "perverted" new testament to make a god out of Jesus to win the Catholic over the Pagan. Altought the book has errors, it is still an interesting read.

What is your opinion on this? Jesus, the Lord or -just- a man?


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AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT?????????

Ok i am not 100% sure on the whole religion thing to begin with but i was raised babtist. I have learned quite a bit on the bible and one thing that i have noticed is that there is only one god correct? So lets think if jesus is gods son wouldnt there be two gods or god himself would have had to had sexual relations. The holy spirit as well were does that fall in so if were only supposed to worship one god why then do we have 3? Is a question i have asked for quite sometime and no one can anwser me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dumbells.gif)


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QUOTE(grim789 @ Nov 8 2009, 01:07 AM) *

AHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT?????????

Ok i am not 100% sure on the whole religion thing to begin with but i was raised babtist. I have learned quite a bit on the bible and one thing that i have noticed is that there is only one god correct? So lets think if jesus is gods son wouldnt there be two gods or god himself would have had to had sexual relations. The holy spirit as well were does that fall in so if were only supposed to worship one god why then do we have 3? Is a question i have asked for quite sometime and no one can anwser me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dumbells.gif)


Hey Grim, Although the Bible declares there is only one living God. the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ and God work as a package. A package that requires each other one in order for harmony and peace to take effect in this lifetime of ours. This is because God as a force comprises three different personages (His Son, his Spirit, and Himself).Think of an egg It is comprised of the white, the yoke and the shell, yet it is still one egg. This is how we should view God. Because without his spirit (who protects us, and for this look at In Romans 8:26, where we learn that the Holy Spirit is there for us when we are not feeling our best: “Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.”) and without his son, who earned the title as redeemer and saviour of mankind (after God ressurected Him). So yeah, without his spirit and without his son, God would not be as formidable as we know him to be.

Also, we are implicitly told by the Bible not to worship Jesus Christ: We know this from Rev 19:10

" And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy".
Notice how I put the words, Worship God in bold.
Also, The primary word used of worship in relation to Jesus is the Greek word proskuneo. Proskuneo simply means "to prostrate; to bow down; to pay obeisance or homage." It does not mean "worship", as we understand the word.

While the word proskuneo can and is used of the Father, there is a word that is used exclusively of the worship of a deity, and that is the word latreuo. This word is never used of Jesus.

Another word translated for "worship" is doxa - though in most cases it is translated "glory", being used in reference to God, king Solomon, and those who receive praise at feasts (Luke 14:10.) It contains no inherent religious implication, but (as with proskuneo) can be used within a previously-established religious context.

I hope this helps. I believe Scripture teaches that God only is to be worshipped in a religious sense. Jesus is to be respected and honoured, reverenced (like a king), but never worshipped.

Having said all of this, the Holy Spirit and his Son CAN (im my humble opinion) be viewed as Gods in their own rights; because there significance and purpose in this lifetime, and in relation to us humans is monumental. Evidence for Jesus Christ being a God is from John 10: 34-36 where it states "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? f he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

What this passages means is that yes even we are God's in Jesus's words because we are God's special children. Moroever, it implicitly states that if we are Gods, then imagine how much of a God Jesus Christ is, for he is the SON of God.

So yeah.. I hope this helps you!!!

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QUOTE(Hybrid Theory @ Nov 8 2009, 01:02 PM) *

Hey Grim, Although the Bible declares there is only one living God. the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ and God work as a package. A package that requires each other one in order for harmony and peace to take effect in this lifetime of ours. This is because God as a force comprises three different personages (His Son, his Spirit, and Himself).Think of an egg It is comprised of the white, the yoke and the shell, yet it is still one egg. This is how we should view God. Because without his spirit (who protects us, and for this look at In Romans 8:26, where we learn that the Holy Spirit is there for us when we are not feeling our best: “Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.”) and without his son, who earned the title as redeemer and saviour of mankind (after God ressurected Him). So yeah, without his spirit and without his son, God would not be as formidable as we know him to be.

Also, we are implicitly told by the Bible not to worship Jesus Christ: We know this from Rev 19:10

" And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy".
Notice how I put the words, Worship God in bold.
Also, The primary word used of worship in relation to Jesus is the Greek word proskuneo. Proskuneo simply means "to prostrate; to bow down; to pay obeisance or homage." It does not mean "worship", as we understand the word.

While the word proskuneo can and is used of the Father, there is a word that is used exclusively of the worship of a deity, and that is the word latreuo. This word is never used of Jesus.

Another word translated for "worship" is doxa - though in most cases it is translated "glory", being used in reference to God, king Solomon, and those who receive praise at feasts (Luke 14:10.) It contains no inherent religious implication, but (as with proskuneo) can be used within a previously-established religious context.

I hope this helps. I believe Scripture teaches that God only is to be worshipped in a religious sense. Jesus is to be respected and honoured, reverenced (like a king), but never worshipped.

Having said all of this, the Holy Spirit and his Son CAN (im my humble opinion) be viewed as Gods in their own rights; because there significance and purpose in this lifetime, and in relation to us humans is monumental. Evidence for Jesus Christ being a God is from John 10: 34-36 where it states "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? f he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

What this passages means is that yes even we are God's in Jesus's words because we are God's special children. Moroever, it implicitly states that if we are Gods, then imagine how much of a God Jesus Christ is, for he is the SON of God.

So yeah.. I hope this helps you!!!



This was quite helpful Thank you... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spoton.gif)


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