Women and Men, Their Roles in Magic Options

Greetings! (PS the title may be too limiting...go nuts!)
This was a bud starting to form in the Abramelin thread.
It was stated that women should be excluded from the Abramelin working.
It was remarked upon about that this was a prevalent attitude in Western esoteric traditions.
I maintain (whether right or wrong) that this practice takes place all around the world and that Magic can be dictated by the sex of the user. Women and Men handle/channel energy differently....
So, what are your thoughts?
Is this merely an attitude foisted off on us by the patriarchal church? Or does it stem from something alittle more basic?
Do tell us your opinions, theories or thoughts about this! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

It is beginning to become a "he said", "she said" sort of argument. I know what I know through personal experience over the past 20 or 25 years. You can't convince me that my ideas are outdated or due to some outdated attitudes towards gender. I am simply remarking on what I've observed. It doesn't mean that women are inferior to men, just that they aren't identical. Aphrodite, you are either misunderstanding the issues or misrepresenting them. There are differences between individuals naturally, but the differences in how the two genders process energy is definitely noticeable. It isn't a 100% difference, but it is a definite difference. I wouldn't call it pseudo-science, just personal experience. I don't need to appeal to authorities or know it because someone told me. I know it because I've seen it and experienced it myself. In philosophy, direct knowledge trumps being told something by an authority. I've worked with energy, experimented with it, tested hypotheses for many years. I'm quite confident of my findings. Like I said, you could put me in a room with someone blindfolded and without touching them or talking with them I could tell whether it was a man or woman within a few minutes by reading how their energy moves. Some people can read others very quickly, but with me it takes a little while.


In Wicca, they are well aware that men are capable of invoking the Goddess, but it isn't done due to their beliefs, not because men have an affinity for the sun while women have an affinity towards the moon. Sorry but that part approaches a straw man argument, although it may be a misunderstanding. The reason for women and not men drawing down the moon is not due to differences between men and women's energies. It is due to the belief that it is offensive to the deities. I simply mentioned it as an example of magic that is limited to women--at least within the Gard tradition. There have also been women's mystery traditions, as well as men's mystery traditions. In Norse traditions, seidr was usually something that women did while men used runic magic. However, this particular separation seems more cultural tradition than for any solidly logical reasons. Wotan, for instance, is supposed to have learned seidr from Freya and practiced it, although he was chided for having done so. Also seidr is essentially a shamanistic practice, but in other parts of the world, shamans are often men. However I haven't studied Abramelin magic so I don't know what to say on that particular topic.