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Petrus
post Jan 16 2008, 02:52 PM
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So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirits. It's an interesting book, but something that struck me is that the rituals in it are as Jewish as the proverbial Bar Mitzvah.

This begs a couple of questions.

1) How do people who adhere to non-Abrahamic religions perform evocations?
2) Are these rituals intended to imply that Judaism genuinely is "the truth," in a supreme or objective sense, to a greater degree than that of other religious systems?


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post Nov 26 2009, 10:32 AM
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The roots of much of Judaeo-Christian rituals were in syncretic paganism from the Middle East anyway. Kabbalistic concepts can be clearly seen to derive from Neo-Platonic thought (and not the other way round, despite what some occultists or otherwise ideologically conservative individuals might think), with things like the quadripartite division of the soul, the division of the Divinity into a trinity all found in Greek philosophy, which was unlikely to have been influenced by Hebraic though, considering that the Jews were under Persian rule thousands of kilometers away, freshly returned from exile at the time of Plato; theurgia and goetia are Greek terms, having their place in Neo-Platonic cults, the Emperor Julian even participated in some of them and performed their rituals.

The adoption of all this Hellenistic philosophical concepts was motivated by the temporal superiority of Hellentistic thought around the early centuries before and after the common era in the wake of Greek and thence Roman conquests. Philo was the first to apply these terms to Judaism and afterwards with the conversion of rich gentiles, Christians with an education began applying what they learnt from Hellenistic philosophy to their own religion, simultaneously attempting to attract educated pagans by showing them that Christianity could be more aligned with classical philosophy than the pagan myths.

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Petrus   Evocation For Non-christians   Jan 16 2008, 02:52 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirit...   Jan 16 2008, 06:12 PM
Mr. Curi   I suggest that you discover FIRST 'who' it...   Jan 16 2008, 06:59 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Mr. Curi, Having read Lisiewiski's book, Cerem...   Jan 16 2008, 09:33 PM
Mr. Curi   I have neither ignored nor misunderstood a single ...   Jan 17 2008, 04:15 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I think you have misunderstood what he meant by th...   Jan 17 2008, 11:34 PM
Mr. Curi   If Lisiewski's book does not cover an 'adv...   Jan 18 2008, 01:19 PM
Petrus   I suggest that you discover FIRST 'who' it...   Jan 19 2008, 06:39 PM
loki   If you don't have these already,you might want...   Jan 19 2008, 07:21 PM
Petrus   If you don't have these already,you might want...   Jan 19 2008, 10:10 PM
rif   So, I suggest looking into Hermetic Magick. Start ...   Apr 6 2008, 05:51 PM
Imperial Arts   It is always amusing to see how people react when ...   Jan 16 2008, 08:09 PM
altpath   Work with the grimoires as best as you can, as muc...   Jan 16 2008, 08:24 PM
altpath   Mr. Curi, I'm sure that everyone here would a...   Jan 17 2008, 05:22 PM
Mr. Curi   Yes, sorry I meant to edit that. I too like the v...   Jan 17 2008, 06:04 PM
Hideout   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spirit...   Jan 18 2008, 01:07 PM
bym   This is turning into a squabble. On one hand I hav...   Jan 18 2008, 09:24 PM
altpath   can we hear from those that have tried non-traditi...   Jan 18 2008, 09:49 PM
Hermetic Angel   From my experience I have found that although we c...   Apr 5 2008, 03:11 AM
altpath   Therefore i see no reason was a Pagan should have ...   Apr 5 2008, 11:19 AM
Kath   nice post alkeides :) I practice evocation in a d...   Nov 27 2009, 11:17 AM
Ethereal Sight   So I've recently been reading Summoning Spiri...   Mar 17 2010, 09:55 AM
Praxis   I use my own system for summoning/banishing and ev...   Nov 11 2011, 09:12 PM

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