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post Sep 21 2009, 09:53 PM
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So as I was theorizing on this very subject after reading The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage and doing a bunch more research on this notion, it left me to wonder if contacting your Holy Guardian Angel (HGA) was the main priority or top goal to achieve through one's spiritual journey and if not, then why not? Maybe it's a notion interpreted differently by others or perhaps unbelieved entirely, although if one is to entertain the ideas of what occurs after contact with the HGA, a new life so to speak, would be introduced for the individual as well as sharper and a more accurate ideology of their life.

I can't imagine it would be an easy task to gain 'the knowledge and conversation of the HGA' but had someone successfully accomplished it, wouldn't that person be quite different and significantly more competent in certain areas? Not to mention more in control of their own lives, actions and morals?

What are you perspectives on the matter? Have any of you ever undertaken the task to contact your HGA, if so what happened? Did you succeed?

Any input whatsoever considering the idea of this topic would be beneficial to hear! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popcorn.gif)

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post Nov 29 2009, 02:16 AM
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QUOTE(Ito @ Nov 23 2009, 11:14 AM) *

With all due respect!
The great work is an alchemical concept! From all the occult approach it's the onely one I've never touched!
Mais reason is that it's a Rosicrutian concept and that I'm not in PAris anymore so I don't have any contacts in Africa.

the only alchemy I practice is within.

"The Great Work" appears under many names in many MANY religions & occult systems.
It's hard to imagine a person being familiar with eastern mysticism, platonic philosophy (thanks for the great description there Sodor), alchemy, crowley, golden dawn, etc. without touching upon this concept. It is a multicultural idea which spans 5 continents, under numerous names, in numerous traditions & belief systems. Body-of-light/Ascension appears even in christianity.

Anyway, if we presume that the "HGA" is an interface between our finite being, and the divine 'all', then I'm not sure I see any other really obvious topics of conversation to have with an HGA other than The Great Work (by whatever label, in whatever belief doctrine).


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post Nov 29 2009, 07:51 AM
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I'm sorry but you're putting too many things together
If you say that alchemy is the work within than you've got the chinese Qi Gong and tai chi perspective. They used to claim that the transformation within leaded to the emergence of a foetus inside one's body without being a woman.
this beliefe in inner transformation can be found in Bön bouddhism, one of the dark wizard who later became a saint's disciple left the spiritual path to get merried. Once he's got stabbed and it is said that instead of blood, semen was shed!!! (Yuk!!!)
But when you read the journals of great alchemists, when they talk about "Red lions" and stuff, they basically talk about a medicine aganst all deseases and really look for a way to become immortal (the main reason for the travel towars east if you know it: Sanjo, Sangoku and the other's story very poorly told in a manga).In the onely journals I've found in the Rosicrutian library in Montpellier they never went further than the Red Lion and a way to melt perls and precious stones together. No transformation of lead into gold or silver whatsoever!

How ever, nowadays, in Crowley and Chaos most of the Archmagus explain that what you call the great work is in fact a magnum opus. Le chef d'oeuvre! But the expression of this work comes from the cathedral builders in the franc empire (Charlemagne who's cousin you find depicted in old card games: the king of swords) but it was actually a test showing how keen you are in you're job!

If it's just a matter of having produced an intellectual production! It's already done (well I'm not Dan Brown or Rowling, not that that I admire their work but their bank account make me horny, I mean greedy) ! the only problem after having reached a certain level of practice is: it solves none of the metaphisical questions one asks himself which is basically the onely reason why people get started in magick!

If one onely wanted to adhere to a cosmogony and epistemology (an explanation of the origin of the world and where it's going), one would simply enter a religion and become a devotee!

My beliefe is that magick is about power, but the kind of power you only get by learning and practicing.

But well, sometimes I fall too deep in the cartesian principle (taken from René Descartes Discours de la méthode): Dubito dubito cogito ergo sum. Doubt, doubt, I think therefore I am!
The methodical doubt is they key to real knowledge! that's what allows me to make experiences, to repeat them after what I can estabish rules based on a scientific approach and not on pure beliefs, perception and false references which would mean that some autors are better than others! Wich isn't obvious!

But If yu've got a suggestion! I'll take it!

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