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post Nov 26 2009, 06:18 PM
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>>If magic is only a psychological tool, I feel it should be stated outright - it would drastically affect its application and theory, I think.

why would it change anything about magic either way? - it may change people's *perception* of magic, but not magic itself as it never changes - magic is exactly the same today as it was at the beginning of time - the problem may lie in your belief in (and definition of) what magic actually is and does

again, what you believe, truly subconsciously believe, is what you would observe (to use a phrase from quantum physics)

keeping it very, very simple, supposing i light a candle to protect someone who is in danger (simple enough, say a soldier getting shot at in battle), and back it with intent (carve symbols in the candle, say a simple spell over it as i'm setting it up or lighting it, whatever), and they come to no harm although they were surrounded by danger and should have come to harm statistically, then that is proof enough for me and i am satisfied that magic, as i define it, exists

and if i enchant an object (via spirit) to produce something (via spirit or whatever means), and even the tiniest portion of what i meant for it to produce (bring to me) falls out of it just once, then that is proof enough for me that magic exists as i define it

and if i have a telepathic conversation with an invisible entity (either evoked or casual contact), then that is proof enough for me that magic exists (and also invisible entities) as i define it (and them)

and absolutely none of it is enough physical proof to satisfy wither you (or the amazing randi, who is offering 1 million dollars for inconvertible proof that magic exists)


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Vilhjalmr   Real Ultimate Power   Nov 26 2009, 06:18 PM
Vilhjalmr   This is something I see repeated over and over. ...   Nov 26 2009, 06:40 PM
esoterica   what is 'physical' anyway? lololololololo...   Nov 28 2009, 09:32 AM
ron stafford   If you do not think that magic works,Why are you h...   Nov 28 2009, 03:41 PM
Kath   the flowchart seems pretty biased in it's word...   Nov 29 2009, 01:44 AM
esoterica   >>are always the ones who type correctly, wr...   Nov 29 2009, 07:53 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   "Oh but ignoring his gut feelings was somethi...   Nov 29 2009, 11:14 PM
Vilhjalmr   what is 'physical' anyway? I was thinking...   Nov 30 2009, 01:21 AM
Vilhjalmr   why would it change anything about magic either w...   Nov 30 2009, 01:28 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Perception is reality, right? :p But personally:...   Dec 1 2009, 12:43 AM
Kath   >>If magic is only a psychological tool, I ...   Dec 1 2009, 04:43 AM
Vilhjalmr   And what if you do the same procedure a dozen tim...   Dec 2 2009, 10:53 PM
Kath   One i didn't mention in my examples, but which...   Dec 3 2009, 05:50 AM
Xenomancer   http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/a...   Feb 24 2010, 09:12 AM
Vilhjalmr   http://i50.tinypic.com/2gwfi0y.gif http://i265.pho...   Feb 24 2010, 09:28 PM
plainsight   Its a failure loop. Input the question 'Can yo...   Apr 13 2010, 08:20 PM
Vilhjalmr   Its a failure loop. Input the question 'Can y...   Jun 16 2010, 01:42 AM
Vilhjalmr   One i didn't mention in my examples, but whic...   Jun 16 2010, 01:53 AM
plainsight   No, once you "simply follow the instuctions...   Aug 11 2010, 05:14 PM
Vilhjalmr   I think I understand the problem. The chart is ton...   Aug 12 2010, 02:16 AM
kaboom13   Its kind of funny, you sort of just do follow the ...   Aug 12 2010, 07:06 AM
Waterfall   Something simple, something that can be done by an...   Dec 1 2010, 05:55 PM
Vilhjalmr   Nice - a clear and reasonable experiment I can att...   Dec 2 2010, 11:10 PM
Waterfall   So what were your results?   Feb 5 2011, 04:56 PM
Vilhjalmr   I have not yet attempted it... to be expected, hon...   Feb 5 2011, 11:15 PM
Kath   This is a very belated response to Vilhjalmr: Mos...   Aug 7 2012, 11:29 AM
☞Tomber☜   Human consciousness is defined by its relationship...   Aug 8 2012, 09:04 AM
Kath   Human consciousness is defined by its relationshi...   Nov 8 2012, 11:50 AM
Bb3   Kath I would honestly appreciate you more if you c...   May 23 2013, 06:06 AM

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