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openthepath
post Jan 29 2010, 11:57 AM
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So Before anyone blasts me, let me just say I am still quite new to the whole esoteric community.

Here is my question.
Are dreams the reality? What I mean is this; suppose our astral self is the one that goes to sleep in the day time or when ever we are awake and what we call reality is actually the dream. If not then what connection does dream and the astral have to reality? Read my story below to get why I am asking such a thing before you reply.

For years I have been having these dreams of friends, family, strangers that come true after I have them or sometimes of things that have happened to others that I have no idea why and how I would know information about these people.

Now up to just a little while ago I was a strict christian. But my dreams and other factors prompt me to ask a lot of questions about life and the bible. When I confronted those in high positions within my community and no satisfactory answer could be given, i seeked out the truth (journey) that would make sense of everything. It has been almost a year now since I've started on this, but with more than 20 years of christianity behind me it makes it hard to accept other things, but I do realize that the whole christian society is being "brain washed" if that is the right term to use to some extent where its hard to accept certain other truths even if it was looking you directly into your face.

My journey has taken me into the occult / ancient religions / kabalah (never knew the jewish world existed such a faith) / hermetics (readings such as franz barden) / astral projection/travel / the elements / magick / shamanish / alchemy and the list goes on. Looking into it all they all have something in common esoteric and the occult; if i have this correct "a small group/community that are involved with or the studies of the unknown". Before just hearing the word occult made me think "evil" (naive thinking instilled from christianity.). This brings back the phrase that "people are fearful of what they do not understand". Now the meaning of the word sits a little better with me.

Anyhow i continued on; but even more confused than before. I search and have visited many forums/boards/websites, read many online articles, purchased books but still nothing until just recently I became more interested in astral projection (Again Vagrant Dreams guide was phonominal). Since I have no actual contact with anyone of the occult in my community, I thought to myself why not give youtube another try(visual/audio rather than just realing). I sifted through a few until I popped onto "astral projection for beginners " which after i experienced my first oob(got frustrated for a bit, but finally after months poof) from there i searched more and popped to another forum/website which was also helpful. But ofcourse this was my first forum.

Loved the other site and interviews they had with many esoteric individuals and the respect that they have taken it to another level than the typical esoteric sites I have been to. But this forum has also given me great insight and pointed me int he right direction many times with answers to many of the unknown.

My other question to you is this, Are there others like myself more experienced that I can talk/chat/email/relate with on the whole occult/esoteric subject?

Thanks for reading. Hope to hear from all of you.

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post Feb 7 2010, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE(openthepath @ Jan 29 2010, 01:57 PM) *

So Before anyone blasts me, let me just say I am still quite new to the whole esoteric community.

Here is my question.
Are dreams the reality? What I mean is this; suppose our astral self is the one that goes to sleep in the day time or when ever we are awake and what we call reality is actually the dream. If not then what connection does dream and the astral have to reality? Read my story below to get why I am asking such a thing before you reply.

For years I have been having these dreams of friends, family, strangers that come true after I have them or sometimes of things that have happened to others that I have no idea why and how I would know information about these people.

Now up to just a little while ago I was a strict christian. But my dreams and other factors prompt me to ask a lot of questions about life and the bible. When I confronted those in high positions within my community and no satisfactory answer could be given, i seeked out the truth (journey) that would make sense of everything. It has been almost a year now since I've started on this, but with more than 20 years of christianity behind me it makes it hard to accept other things, but I do realize that the whole christian society is being "brain washed" if that is the right term to use to some extent where its hard to accept certain other truths even if it was looking you directly into your face.

My journey has taken me into the occult / ancient religions / kabalah (never knew the jewish world existed such a faith) / hermetics (readings such as franz barden) / astral projection/travel / the elements / magick / shamanish / alchemy and the list goes on. Looking into it all they all have something in common esoteric and the occult; if i have this correct "a small group/community that are involved with or the studies of the unknown". Before just hearing the word occult made me think "evil" (naive thinking instilled from christianity.). This brings back the phrase that "people are fearful of what they do not understand". Now the meaning of the word sits a little better with me.

Anyhow i continued on; but even more confused than before. I search and have visited many forums/boards/websites, read many online articles, purchased books but still nothing until just recently I became more interested in astral projection (Again Vagrant Dreams guide was phonominal). Since I have no actual contact with anyone of the occult in my community, I thought to myself why not give youtube another try(visual/audio rather than just realing). I sifted through a few until I popped onto "astral projection for beginners " which after i experienced my first oob(got frustrated for a bit, but finally after months poof) from there i searched more and popped to another forum/website which was also helpful. But ofcourse this was my first forum.

Loved the other site and interviews they had with many esoteric individuals and the respect that they have taken it to another level than the typical esoteric sites I have been to. But this forum has also given me great insight and pointed me int he right direction many times with answers to many of the unknown.

My other question to you is this, Are there others like myself more experienced that I can talk/chat/email/relate with on the whole occult/esoteric subject?

Thanks for reading. Hope to hear from all of you.




Lets focus on the first ..ok second line...."Are Dreams a reality?"

First off mite i say that this topic could have its own section entirely devoted to those insane responses you will receive.

next let me hit you with some assimilated acidic insanity..non-infectious:[-}

Dreams,,,,as a friend once spoke, "Perhaps dreams are our true lives, like a never ending video game, and this, this place here, is the chartroom, where we swap secrets."
Interssting points, what if? Well lets look deeper, darker, heavier....
In Dreams there is that sort of sense of basic laws of physics, yet they are easily defiable when confronted with a problem. ie: your dreams world HAS NO LIMITATIONS, its a completely free world, so why are we able to be free in it? Alas, the spirit is not without the body, as a dream is not without imagination. Without this percieved life, there would be no dream...so there must be some direct link...
THERE IS, its YOU! you are the molecular gap between a synapse and a receptor nerve. How you are in this life, DIRECTLY(through channeling of imagination thru you) affects your dream. IE: how your mind has formed in this life, is how your mind is formed on the other side....oh but there's more...
Suppose everything around you, right now, everything you see, is in your perceptable range...yet you do not, and in fact, can NOT notice every single piece of information presented before you, except by the very sense of our primordial understandings of life. All thing observed in a days time, compute through your SUBconsiouss---your subconsiouss is basicly an itunes that collects songs and has a genius program to link them together in playlists----

Strange how thoughts, either thought to yourself very quickly, or thought solely to your "perceived self" affect you and your dreams....so were connected to this dream world....and this one...well what about him,,,and her,,, and him,,, are they not connected to me?

Alas this is where one love comes into play....There is a single embodied realm we inhabit, yet it is so very fragmented, time space, its all being twisted and altered right before our very eyes....as I am here with you now, I am just brushing my teeth, or winking at my kitty. We all meet in a subjigated plane, this plane, is the ethereal plane, think of it as the internet through thought. Again this could stem on for hours and hours, stringing together almost every known mysterious phenomena to Dreams....

Aye, if you leave me, leave with this in your pocket, Before a thought an idea, before an idea a dream.

^^^iii***III^^^

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