Praying To God Options

yeah so i was thinking in the shower
not about magic
yet for some reason i had some sort of idea.

Is praying to god magic?
is it magic under the paradigm that if you ask this enigmatic being for a favor that he will reply and help with good faith?

and then i thought more?

isnt ordinary magic the exact same thing, except instead of asking a being
we tell the universe...
and in some cases we do ask a being
like in a summoning of a demon?

And if that's true, then if you replace God with universe in the bible, it is more like things were guided into place by fate, and not by a bearded sociopath?
and it becomes something entirely different?

idk really
i just dont think much about Christianity because i am not a christian at all so

whatever.

yeah so i was thinking in the shower
not about magic
yet for some reason i had some sort of idea.

Is praying to god magic?
is it magic under the paradigm that if you ask this enigmatic being for a favor that he will reply and help with good faith?

and then i thought more?

isnt ordinary magic the exact same thing, except instead of asking a being
we tell the universe...
and in some cases we do ask a being
like in a summoning of a demon?

And if that's true, then if you replace God with universe in the bible, it is more like things were guided into place by fate, and not by a bearded sociopath?
and it becomes something entirely different?

idk really
i just dont think much about Christianity because i am not a christian at all so

whatever.

What you mean by "magic" is ceremonial magick in fact(at least what your describing) and no it is not the same.
Why?
Because there is this thing called "Egregor" and thats actualy any god you can think of. In more energy based workings gods are just energy blobs(no offense to anyone) with personality that grew to be independent but are used to feeding on their worshipers. Even MCdonalds by this definition is an egregor, the only diffrence is the size and autonomy since it was not fed and worshiped for thousands of years.
What can they do for you?
Certain things they can provide, but mostly they just need your hope\emotion and the like as sustanance(or food xD). If your someone working energeticaly for a while now and can handle yourself there is no reason why not exploit the egregors if that is your field of interest. To boost your energy reserves and to handle simple matters which you really dont wanna(or yet do not know how to benefitialy work them out) do. Although as someone without the required tools to handle them(and limit them) you are no more then a tool for them and you will recieve maybe a good feeling while praying and perheps small miracle here and there or a "sign"(just to restore your faith and to keep exploiting you), but usualy untill you break there will be nothing more then a cold shoulder or some meaningless transmission via energetic communication.
So basicaly its a bad idea for you. Better learn how to achieve your goals without hoping for something "greater" above to do it for you, since these egregors may pretend to be the gods we hoped for long ago but they do not possess any remarkable powers(no more then basic things that manny of us are capable of), just the luxury of a diffrent point of view and abundance of spare energy being purely energetic beings without bodies.

Regarding "fate" there is no such thing other then where you want to go. You are the god of your life, there are just some bumps and mountains on the way that are harder to cross and take more time and effort and the right way to do it. Think about it.

-Also an interesting way to use manufactured egregors(intentionaly made) as used by some organisations i know of is as storage units. Since its basicaly an energetic pocket that can be given not only personality and autonomy but also certain ways to access, phisicaly anchors and such... i know of one specific organisation that lets students have a black box(which the phisical appearence of is of course of little interest.. since it could be a piece of poop for all we care though wouldnt be as pleasent to touch i bet xD) when they complete their paid for courses, and they can use it some manner to access the storage unit(egregor) of that specific organisation and get some energy from it, when they are feeling tired or out of the daily natural supply, to continue with training. Or something like that. Of course energy is energy and can be formed andused in manny interesting ways, i guess understanding and imagination are the limits. :3

-As for the parts regarding faith and god\gods.. It may sound as an insult to those of you following whichever faiths or deities out there reading this, but even though its a fact in my life.. it doesnt negate the good feeling you get doing your own thing so do not take it as negative or intended to slender your beliefs, just sharing my own expiriences and knowledge.

This post has been edited by Shimi: Feb 17 2010, 05:47 PM