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Kin234
post Jul 22 2007, 10:20 PM
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Don't know if this is the right place to ask or if anyone has any experience with this but the last few nights i've been having some strange experiences.

I have been a lucid dreamer all my life and do it very regularly quite naturally, but the last few nights, the dreams have seemed so real and i've had a very high level of conscious awareness. Normally this would be a good thing, but the last few nights i've been battling it out against demons, evil spirits, etc. Luckily for me, I know how to force myself awake, but as soon as i fall asleep again I find myself in the same situation. I've been trying everything to fend them off but nothing seems to be working.

Here is what i've tried so far:
-sending love, picturing things that make me happy and saying to them "I forgive you and god loves you"
-calling out for god's help, and help from Jesus Christ
-Visualising myself being filled and surrounded by white light, I also tried other colours of light.

I hate to say it, but none of these new agey techniques seem to work. Is there anyone out there who has a real technique that works? do i need to fight fire with fire?

These dreams seem to be getting more intense, the last one they started "charging up" and throwing fireballs at me, it was like their body started glowing bright red and then fireballs would shoot out from their hands. Even if these are just dreams, and I am not some place in between, I would still like to know at least one or two ways of defending myself for future reference.

Hopefully there is someone on this forum who has dealt with this kind of thing in reality and has a tried and tested self-defense technique.


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this post originated some years ago so it would be interesting to know how and whether it was resolved. I strongly side with Vagrant Dreamer, Moonchilde, and the person who said this:


QUOTE(4symbols @ Aug 17 2007, 02:29 AM) *

The best method of defence it forming in own consciousness(into lucid dream) of position of absolutely passionless observer. As a rule it helps in most similar situations. Efficiency of method is maximal as compared to any actions, undertaken not in one's the dreams.


Lucid dreams that have to do with being attacked by supernatural-seeming creatures or (the modern version) by Greys in settings that may have a gloomy darkness in familiar surroundings and may include loud, startling noises and very tactile sensations are forms of sleep paralysis. On bad nights, you can seem to wake up and then fall back into the same dream repeatedly. These kinds of dreams often begin during adolescence and increase in frequency in young adulthood and then lessen in frequency as you age. I use to be visited by a sticky black demonic creature several times a week when I was about 15 and into my 20s. Now I may experience a sleep paralysis episode maybe twice a year at most.

People go through all kinds of convolutions to figure how to make the dreams stop that have to do with prayer, performing certain protective rituals, etc. I would not say that there is no value in these things. I would say that people act in such symbolic --rather than frontal brain--ways to more effectively modify the deep consciousness where all this ca-ca germinates.

But I think to really get the upper hand with this phenomenon, you need to stop feeding it. Belief in it as an indepenedent "thing" assailing you builds and feeds it. Dependency on some outside agent/third party to protect you against "it" also feeds it and the strategy does fail in time (so it doesn't matter whether you pray to Jesus or Odin or Kali or this or that Solomonic entity whoever to rescue you. After a short time, you will not get the desired response.) If you keep feeding it, you build thought-forms and egregores and then your mysterious supernatural problem can become other people's as well by psychic infection and projection. " Belief is a tool." Use it as a tool instead of a back-firing rifle.

In my experience, you can overcome this phenomenon if
1. a rational, mechanistic explanation for what is happening (even if it "really is" "supernatural") can be adopted.
2. In the dream state, the negative imagery is confronted as troubled --or often gate-keeping--aspects of your own consciousness. We do create phantoms and "scary" or obsessing thoughts to shield us from what is really at the root of problems within consciousnessness. Recognize this.
3. In the dream state, as suggested, cultvate fully lucid consciousness and take the form of a passive observer. Decide to "not play." I have also found that this is the best defense against these kinds of experiences and the easiest way to wake up from them.
4. Get your emotional life in order. Practice mindfulness and relaxation techniques and cathartic as well as endorphin-releasing forms of meditation and exercise. Do breathing exercises, especially left nostril breathing, in moderation before sleep. And be aware of sleeping patterns. Eating and drinking certain things before sleep or oversleeping or forced sleeping or hormonal cycles, sleep position, or the ventiliation or air quality in a room will all affect REM sleep. And in the not-to-common instance of having very vivid violent dreams that are then acted out in sleep through sleepwalking or thrashing around while asleep--that person needs to get to a neurologist because that has much less to do with being assailed by demons, etc, and much more to do with seriously disordered sleep-wake cycle brain chemistry. It is much more common in older persons, usually men.


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Kin234   Does Anyone Have Any Self-defense Tips?   Jul 22 2007, 10:20 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Consider very carefully the context of the dreams,...   Jul 23 2007, 12:41 AM
Slayden   Kin234, I know EXACTLY what you are going through....   Jul 23 2007, 02:41 AM
Kin234   Thanks for the replies guys, some very good advice...   Jul 23 2007, 05:57 AM
Slayden   For the fighting fire with fire part, summon the e...   Jul 23 2007, 06:23 AM
Kin234   Cool, thanks for that Slayden :) I'm usually ...   Jul 23 2007, 06:45 AM
Slayden   Ah. Psi-shields are a little different. They offer...   Jul 26 2007, 12:55 AM
4symbols   The best method of defence it forming in own consc...   Aug 17 2007, 01:29 AM
Petrus   Normally this would be a good thing, but the last ...   Nov 25 2007, 12:58 PM
telempath   Here is what i've tried so far: -sending love,...   Nov 25 2007, 02:02 PM
Lucian   Ave Cutting to the chase: Use shielding technique...   Dec 7 2007, 05:53 PM
altpath   Kin234, those are bad attacks being sent to you b...   Dec 8 2007, 11:51 PM
azareth   I used to have this problem a while ago, and it go...   Jul 6 2008, 12:47 AM
Krell   I have to throw in with Vagrant Dreamer. Everythi...   Jul 6 2008, 09:32 AM
+ Kinjo -   A friend of mine currently are spiritually attacke...   Aug 9 2008, 03:52 PM
Krell   The rusty nail makes sense. Perhaps there are oth...   Aug 12 2008, 10:18 AM
Aphrodite   I believe that those are external entities attacki...   Aug 12 2008, 08:55 PM
eternal ginja   i have to agree with krell and vagrant. internal c...   Sep 17 2008, 07:38 PM
Shimi   Ok there arent enough symptoms to suggest that a b...   Feb 17 2010, 08:30 PM
Moonchilde   First, I must say that I am not entirely convinced...   Feb 18 2010, 10:02 PM
anatole   i did not finished reading all the posts, i stoppe...   May 25 2010, 10:30 PM
Slyphhur   If you really want to fight them then you are goin...   May 26 2010, 09:21 AM
Fr. 0   I have to agree with Vagrant Dreamer on this. It ...   Jun 18 2010, 11:10 AM

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