Big Guy, Horns, Wings, Impeckable Laugh, Large Arms, Oh My!, this one time....in a dark room... Options

okay put this image in your mind first, about 15-20 ppl, basement, all either, drunk, high, on excstacy, or all together, me and a friend at excstacy and mushrooms. okay now lets start
lots a shit happened that night that was like....woah, but one event in particular i wish to discuss with the world of ya'll...ok so, great party, dancing, floating through the cosmos, bodies, clash, fierce emotion, friend starts to bugg out, i told em to concentrate on his center, he felt it, but let go, for room for an ego, which than made the twicthing and retarded speech worse, i couldn't deal, i felt many things, portals all around, levitation, it was TOO strange so i went upstairs to a dark room, to sit and grab my cool, ROFL thats exactly what didn't happen, many things were,,,revealed? to me in that room, but one particular even as i said before i wish to open you to, there was after a time of expanding and contracting, a large entity, a large beast, jaws of anguish, and an eternal reign, as if to say hello, he outstreched his arms into the sky, i did the same, i then felt my arms grow to the size of the room and back, as if it were inside me, i felt so strong as if we could take on the world, he looked so badass i can't stress enough, but what was even better was the feeling of meeting him, i dont hold myself hostage to anything now, but it was pretty damn crazy, i felt his arms becoming mine, and my bones shifting, my back was in extreme pain, right where your shoulder blades are, okay not extreme but like yeah if i was a wimp it wud be pain, lol...just to say that physical pain is nothing , ahh,,,,nvm forget it, okay anyway, after this vision of sorts, i went downstairs and everyone was so incredibly calm and just sitting sharing moments with eachother, as if they knew i was up there doing crazy shit or whatever.
okay so moral of the story? was i looking else where? or was i lookin inside my own self? was that vision a version of the beast i feel trapped beneath this mask?
i told this story to a dear dear friend of mine, he told me to watch out for demons, and that they are NEVER good, i could see his point, but something about this was much to tragic, like a lion, king of thejungle, behind bars his entire life, well thats it a previous post reminded me of this, thought i'd see what you think...

namaste
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I have to agree with Naimi and not only because you were rude.
Just for the record you didnt hesitate at all and even boasted about your drug use as quoted by you "me and a friend at excstacy and mushrooms"(and you can bet i didnt imagine seeing that since i copy pasted it from your original post >_>). First off a word for all you "we know what were doing" people out there. Do WHATEVER you like, but this is a public forum and from your attitude you were promoting the use of these drugs in the eyes of minors that visit this forum(they dont need any help as it is, since they are allready getting enough influance outside the forum, obviously). Whether for fun\recreation\magickal needs.
Further more, i am laughing my ass off for one simple reason. In shamanistic practices(if you even bothered probing the side effects of the drugs you were taking) mushrooms cause MASSIVE helucinations and you can bet your ass off that thats your brain going crazy from the toxins and i dont see any profound spiritual meaning in that since it can be simply a menifestation of your twisted inner self. FInd meaning in that and promote it if youd like, i can promise you it wont lead you to any mystical places or practical applications\results in the world beyond your imagination\mind.
Returning back to Naimi, I can say with confidence that there are manny things out there... bizzare and wonderfull that can be seen without drug abuse that can mean manny a thing(also explain a lot about the world we live in in depth). Whether visions occuring for a specific reason(which would be spiritual growth and understanding) or by accidental means that can also lead to interesting development.
Again, you wanna get something without doing the work. Fine, why not? but just so you know the reason people took drugs back then(no matter how manny hundreds\thousands of years ago) is because they didnt have all the computers and movies and enterteinment that we have today to do something interesting with their time other then work, be deseased and suffer all day.

Anyway i think i got my point across. In conclusion(regardless of your OP) any post that we write we could get opinions and replies that are not favorable. Dont act so surprised and defensive just because someone was against the use of drugs and doesnt find them as exciting when they face someone poisoning themselves and doesnt take it seriously. :S (and yes i have tried a few myself just out of curiousety, but excuse me for not finding them as "enterteining" and having much more fun with a clear mind)

And thats my opinion(on both matters).

This post has been edited by Shimi: Feb 21 2010, 07:15 PM

First, I'd like to say that the lad's technique is sadly lacking and I don't condone sloppy.

But the rest? Meh, whatever.

I have to agree with Naimi and not only because you were rude.
Just for the record you didnt hesitate at all and even boasted about your drug use as quoted by you "me and a friend at excstacy and mushrooms"(and you can bet i didnt imagine seeing that since i copy pasted it from your original post >_>). First off a word for all you "we know what were doing" people out there. Do WHATEVER you like, but this is a public forum and from your attitude you were promoting the use of these drugs in the eyes of minors that visit this forum(they dont need any help as it is, since they are allready getting enough influance outside the forum, obviously). Whether for fun\recreation\magickal needs.

I find this irrelevant. If a youngster is into magick, they are in at least as much danger as messing around with most classes of drugs. Arguments of the form "Think of the children" mean very little to me these days. They are often used when there is no other rational argument to be had, and when children are being controlled, not protected.

(my emhphasis)

Further more, i am laughing my ass off for one simple reason. In shamanistic practices(if you even bothered probing the side effects of the drugs you were taking) mushrooms cause MASSIVE helucinations and you can bet your ass off that thats your brain going crazy from the toxins and i dont see any profound spiritual meaning in that since it can be simply a menifestation of your twisted inner self. FInd meaning in that and promote it if youd like, i can promise you it wont lead you to any mystical places or practical applications\results in the world beyond your imagination\mind.

This part left me scratching my head, so could you clarify the statement? Perhaps you could tell me what you expect gnosis to actually consist of, on a personal level? To "know thyself"? I cannot reconcile your quote with these goals and I was hoping you could help me. To me, part of the road to the HGA (or whatever you want to call it) is indeed a tiptoe through Qlippoth (if not a high dive with a triple somersault). You can also meet the Goetia on more even terms. Yup, twisted inner self is right, but just how do you expect to straighten it out if you don't gnow it, first (or even know which parts *are* straight?)?

Returning back to Naimi, I can say with confidence that there are manny things out there... bizzare and wonderfull that can be seen without drug abuse that can mean manny a thing(also explain a lot about the world we live in in depth). Whether visions occuring for a specific reason(which would be spiritual growth and understanding) or by accidental means that can also lead to interesting development.

It seems that you equate any drug use with abuse, and I cannot think of any way to bridge that gap. While you are free to believe what you want to, I would hope I am incorrect here.

Again, you wanna get something without doing the work. Fine, why not? but just so you know the reason people took drugs back then(no matter how manny hundreds\thousands of years ago) is because they didnt have all the computers and movies and enterteinment that we have today to do something interesting with their time other then work, be deseased and suffer all day.

Okay, the Eleusian rights were a form of entertainment. Shamans just kick'n it. If you say so... there are no shortcuts, no one gest something without doing the work, somehow. drugs used properly tend to provide compressed experiences that then must be touched down and uncompressed into your natural life. anyway.

Anyway i think i got my point across. In conclusion(regardless of your OP) any post that we write we could get opinions and replies that are not favorable. Dont act so surprised and defensive just because someone was against the use of drugs and doesnt find them as exciting when they face someone poisoning themselves and doesnt take it seriously. :S (and yes i have tried a few myself just out of curiousety, but excuse me for not finding them as "enterteining" and having much more fun with a clear mind)

And thats my opinion(on both matters).

I don't see the point you were trying to get across -- other than that you don't like drugs and you don't like the way the poster presented themselves in the forum.

If you are interested in a further exploration or discussion of thee "taboo" topic, please read up, as some of your comments appear uninformed. I made a post to Drugs, Yea or Nay? (http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=6838 ) (sorry can't seem to get the hyperlink to work). It seems there are whole Cultures out there that are using drugs Spiritually (mostly) only tangentially related to indigenous use (go figure). Your casual dismissal is the position that seems to need support, from my viewpoint.

namaste,

moonchilde