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post Dec 25 2008, 06:13 PM
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First things first: I was not absolutely sure where I should put this thread but I decided that it's closer to Spirit Work than Shamanism.
Second things second (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) sorry for another has-anyone-evoked topic that includes no experiences of the author, but I couldn't help it. The curiosity was killing me...

Sooo... Has anyone contacted any plant spirits? I'm not actually asking about hugging trees and that kind of stuff... I'm particularly interested in entheogens and natural psychedelics. They are reported to have spirits that 'belong to' the whole species rather than individual plants. As we can read in one of Castaneda's books (I read it some time ago... was the title 'Don Juan's Teachings'?) peyotl has (as Mexican shamans believe) a Spirit called Mescalito. Castaneda saw him. R. A. Wilson (author of "Cosmic Trigger") also writes he met that entity. Another case is Lady Salvia who is supposed to be the spirit of Salvia Divinorum. There are reports of meeting her or at least of some vague 'feminine presence'.
The two spirits (there are probably more of them) are said to have tendency to choose people that they reveal themselves to, to test them etc...

First question: do you believe in such entheogenic spirits? Do you think they exist in the same way as e.g. Goetic spirits or maybe they're just, as Wilson suggests, a projection created by our minds in response to biological impulses we receive from plants that we interpret & antropomorph?

Second question: do you think that every species (plants? all living organisms?) has a 'collective spirit'?

Third question: have you met any of such entheogenic spirits during your trips? (the thread about psychedelics & magick is quite popular so I assume some of you have had some) Personally I've felt a feminine presence when I smoked Salvia but I'm almost sure it was because of the song that was being played at the moment ('just look in her eyes,' the guy sang). I've never tried peyote as I haven't the slightest idea how I could possibly get it here where I live.

And last but not least, the 4th, purely magickal question: has anyone evoked or otherwise contacted such spirits without the use of drugs? It's one thing to get high and meet fantastic creatures or spirits but another thing is to evoke them... Any experiences? Do you think anything would show up during an evocation? After all, the spirits are not willing to reveal themselves to anyone except people of their own choice, am I right? Especially Lady Salvia is reported to be quite... timid and elusive.

The idea of this thread occurred to me because I'm going to buy a stronger Salvia Divinorum extract after the New Year. I might meet Lady Salvia and if I do, you can be sure I'll write about it here... wish me good trips (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)



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post Feb 5 2009, 08:14 AM
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Petrus, I'm not absolutely new to Salvia. As I wrote, I have a really high tolerance to this substance - which implies that I've measured it. I started with a lot of theoretical preparations like FAQs, how and why it works etc... - reading Erowid Experience Vault was also my hobby (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popcorn.gif) Then I started with dried leaves. I used a torch lighter and a self-made bong and tried small amounts first. Then, I upped the amounts to the maximum that I could smoke in 3 minutes - you know it's no use smoking it any longer for it's metabolized too quickly. The most I could get was some light buzz like after a small puff of marijuana smoke. Oh, maybe I reached the threshold of almost-tripping once. So I knew I couldn't get really high on leaves. 20x extract was no good, too. I experimented with small - and gradually bigger - doses and got high only with as much half a gram of 20x. I got really pissed off, really, for I knew it was going to be expensive to get really strong results and I gave up Salvia for half a year or so. I bought this 60x just recently - and talked to some furniture, as mentioned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/haha.gif) But still it wasn't all that I expected. Hardly any visuals, memory loss, 'everything is a dream'... OK, nice, strong, but not enough. And that persistent feeling of being carried away, pulled somewhere... Do you people have it, too, and don't you find it annoying?
That's all for "smoke real leaves" advice. Without extracts I could smoke tobacco or oregano or whatever - with roughly the same results (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)

Now, I don't know if I'm really so casual about smoking. Probably more than I used to be. I tried to treat Salvia as something sacred and I, basically, got rejected. So I went "fvck it, I'll just smoke all that's left" and got SOME results. I always lie down after I take the third hit. I don't have a sitter because a.) they're hard to get, really, who wants to take care of a weeping or panicking fvcked up 20-year-old guy on a Friday evening? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) b.) when I tried once and behaved strange with another person present, I thought "heh, it must look so funny for him" and I started laughing uncontrollably, which ruined the spiritual side of the experience.
I never got completely egoless, though. If I were completely immersed in some alternative worlds, I wouldn't care or notice other people. Or would I?


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Petrus, I'm not absolutely new to Salvia. As I wrote, I have a really high tolerance to this substance - which implies that I've measured it. I started with a lot of theoretical preparations like FAQs, how and why it works etc... - reading Erowid Experience Vault was also my hobby (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popcorn.gif) Then I started with dried leaves. I used a torch lighter and a self-made bong and tried small amounts first. Then, I upped the amounts to the maximum that I could smoke in 3 minutes - you know it's no use smoking it any longer for it's metabolized too quickly. The most I could get was some light buzz like after a small puff of marijuana smoke. Oh, maybe I reached the threshold of almost-tripping once. So I knew I couldn't get really high on leaves. 20x extract was no good, too. I experimented with small - and gradually bigger - doses and got high only with as much half a gram of 20x. I got really pissed off, really, for I knew it was going to be expensive to get really strong results and I gave up Salvia for half a year or so. I bought this 60x just recently - and talked to some furniture, as mentioned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/haha.gif) But still it wasn't all that I expected. Hardly any visuals, memory loss, 'everything is a dream'... OK, nice, strong, but not enough. And that persistent feeling of being carried away, pulled somewhere... Do you people have it, too, and don't you find it annoying?
That's all for "smoke real leaves" advice. Without extracts I could smoke tobacco or oregano or whatever - with roughly the same results (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)

Now, I don't know if I'm really so casual about smoking. Probably more than I used to be. I tried to treat Salvia as something sacred and I, basically, got rejected. So I went "fvck it, I'll just smoke all that's left" and got SOME results. I always lie down after I take the third hit. I don't have a sitter because a.) they're hard to get, really, who wants to take care of a weeping or panicking fvcked up 20-year-old guy on a Friday evening? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) b.) when I tried once and behaved strange with another person present, I thought "heh, it must look so funny for him" and I started laughing uncontrollably, which ruined the spiritual side of the experience.
I never got completely egoless, though. If I were completely immersed in some alternative worlds, I wouldn't care or notice other people. Or would I?



I used to smoke alotttttt of pot and do pills and diffrent things. My first experience with salvia i had looked forward to and studied on for months so i purchased some 20x and it arrived i got me a bong and a torh lighter. I took massive hits till my lungs could'nt hold anymore and held it till i felt like i was going to pass out and nooo effects after smoking a gram in maybe 5 minutes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angry_pissed_off_emoticon.gif) . So yeah as you can probably guess after all this time put into studying it and stuff i was pissed. So one night couples weeks later i went to a buddies house we had smoked like 3 blunts and did about 20 or so perk 10's so i was already pretty fried needless to say. He pulled out the salvia and it was 75x. I dont know what it was from were i was fried already or the more dosage 1 hit was al it took and it felt like the room collapsed on me and i was laughing like crazy i tried to go into a meditative state and enjoy it but these were the only experience i had with it after that one hit i couldnt do anymore due to i was feeling the night come to an end. It was a rather fascinating experience but i would love to try something like 100x or above maybe i would trip alot harder and meet lady salvia. IS hopeing


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