What Do You Use Magic For? Options

Magic: the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature

In it's definition magic has endless possibilities....

does it?

For some strange reason. when i am thinking up "Incantation" or "various other techniques" I have trouble thinking up what to do.

"what exactly is the problem i'm facing now? How do i solve it?" are questions i ask,

but magic doesn't seem to come up as an answer often.

and when it does, i use my trusty tarrot deck and i get BAD RESULTS
BAD BAD BAD RESULTS

so the magic i do always ends up being pure white magic since everything else seems it would go bad.

that's pretty limited if you ask me.

And in such a way, who is an individual to have the audacity to claim anything we know nothing about?

(and the many sentences which were saying basically the same thing)

who is to say that you're typing on a keyboard? can you prove it? absolutely prove it?
no. not absolutely.

"but nihilism in the end slays even itself with it's final act after joyously raping and pillaging the egotism of man's beloved subjective truths..."

you could pick apart any post with a "but how do you REALLY know" line of questioning. any post, in this thread or any thread, on any topic. Nihilistic logic is something which is good for one to ask themselves about when pondering their ideas, and being tempted to believe they have some sort of "absolute truth" (generally a figment IMO). But it's not particularly fruitful to form those questions around someone else's ideas. I mean, I myself might actually enjoy that sort of interrogation, because I subject my thinking to it already, and i would just look at it as a sort of hostile sounding board to bounce my ideas off of. ie- a potential tool.
but generally people just feel like you're picking at them if you do that.

and ultimately, How can you know that xeno needs a certain level of perspective which is out of his reach? isn't that also out of your reach to really know for sure? you cannot question assertion on the footing of nihilistic thinking without also questioning the questioning of the assertion just as harshly.
nihilism is a 'very' double edged sword in debate. pull it out, and your own argument will bleed just as much as the other.

suffice to say, xeno has a paradigm, and you feel it is presumptuous, and he feels your feeling is presumptuous.
and who is right? or is subjectivity ok for determining which feeling is 'truth'? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

or do you agree to disagree? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

edit:
in the end nihilism is a zero sum game. it doesn't really change anything, except perhaps to remind one that anything is possible, and anything you think is true might not be. which I think is awesome to bear in mind, always. But it's really just not functionally applicable to saying an idea is 'wrong'. it can only ever say it's not provable, and *nothing* is absolutely provable, so all ideas are equal in that regard, even nihilism itself. which begs the question "so what?"

(Nietzsche, if you're watching from the afterlife, you know i luv ya, but I gotta ask "Cummon, was that so hard?")

This post has been edited by Kath: May 31 2010, 04:15 PM