Magick Options

Okey, dont get me wrong but i've been thinking about this whole magick thing, first of all im not sayin if its possible i want to do it cause its fun, more like is those things really possible in our life? I mean if you go searching some about the subject you find tons so i guess there must be something true about it somewhere in the ages but i don't really know, my question is, is it really possible to do things physically with magick or is it just to find your inner self and believe in stuff(Like luck spells etc.) and that sort or is it really possible to do something you feel or see or even can touch without imagine it? guess i will make some people pissed with a question like this but i would like to know. Thanks anyway.

OP - in a word, yes it is, but how you go about it can vary immensely. I'll write up a detailed post in a sec. But first...

*sigh* You come to an occult forum asking if magick is possible, which is equivalent of me going on a Christian forum and asking skeptical questions about God. Go out and explore and experience for yourself. Would it make a difference if I said I could levitate and create fire balls? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

Yes, it would. I generally ignore the words of those who don't say they can do these things, because then I know my quest for physical results will not be found in their system of "magic", whatever it might be. But if someone who seemed well-informed, educated, and intelligent told me they had created a fire ball, and provided a training regime that they swear will let me create fire balls too, well, I'm at least interested if not convinced.

He's not asking if magical is possible, only if a specific type of magic is possible. And that seems like a reasonable question to me.

There's a related theory in quantum physics these days, which suggests that the results of at least some experiments, may be influenced by the intentions/desires of the operator, which sounds suspiciously like magick to me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I believe this is a misunderstanding of one of the principles of quantum physics, which states nothing about the intents or desires of the operator, only that attempts to measure what has happened will change the results (because to measure is to affect in some way). Thus, an observer will change the outcome, but only because to observe necessitates interaction between the subject and the observer.

Other than that, I am strongly leaning to your position in everything else.

Aleister Crowley gave the simplest definition of magick when he said: “Magick is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.” One example he gave was opening a door, another was penning a letter.

That's pretty silly. If he wishes to change the definition of magic to "doing anything at all", that's fine, but that's not what most magicians - as you say yourself - are about.

This post has been edited by Vilhjalmr: Jul 1 2010, 10:11 PM