(Before I start, let me make something perfectly clear. I'm not attacking you; I don't mean any disrespect in any way, and I'm not questioning or challenging your beliefs; but this post may be seen as such due to the fact that I'm horrible when wording text while at the same time trying to get my point across. I just want to make it clear that my only interest is having a conversation with you and learning more about what you believe as well as learning more about you as a person. This post may seem as if it's angry or defensive or any other number of emotions; it's not. I just really suck at getting my point across in text without sounding like an a**hole. I don't intend to do it, it's just one of my faults.)
I think I'm starting to get what you are saying. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Let's go back to examples because that's the best way for me to describe ideas and concepts.
Let's say the universe is a human, "we'll refer to it as Universal Human as to not get confused" and we (Conscious Humans) are each or collectively a cell or part of a cell within the Universal Human. Am I correct in understanding that you are saying that like Conscious Humans the Universal Human doesn't give any, if very little, thought to the small bits that make us up? I mean we (CH) KNOW about our cells and even how they function and what services they provide but we don't name them or care about what happens to them as long as they are preforming correctly. Only when the cells malfunction and create cancer or attack the body in some other way do we take notice. Are you saying that like our cells we are programed from creation to follow a certain path as a whole, individual, or both in order to serve the body of the UH? No free will, will never have the capability to understand anything significant about the UH or ourselves really, just a small part that makes up the whole that the whole really isn't aware of?
Or are you saying that it's all just an accident and the UH has no consciousness, we are bound by unbreakable universal laws and can't change anything on really any level, and we're the ones creating and living in a delusional state thinking otherwise? Basically are you saying that the UH has a consciousness but it's so grand that we'll never be able to understand anything about it or any of the plans it may have or are you saying the UH has no consciousness at all and everything is just a matter of calculations, variables?
I, myself, believe in the second, the no god/consciousness theory, except I believe in freewill and that our own consciousnesses and freewill make us different from normal energy, sort of above the natural law if you please. Immortal, infinite consciousnesses.
Anyway I believe you are saying that we really don't have any control at all, in any form, I'm taking liberties in say that; let me know if I'm wrong. If that is the case, on a more personal note, what are you doing on a magick board? One of the main aspects of magick is to cause desired change; if you don't believe we have any control or capacity to change things, why are you here? I'm just curious. Also I have a feeling our posts are going to get off topic from the OP pretty quickly and the mods might have a problem with that but I do wish to continue this conversation. So, if you have to, pm me so we can continue, if you want to continue that is.
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