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NetherSpirit
post Aug 16 2010, 12:17 PM
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I'm considering incorporating hieroglyphs or hieratic text into ceremonial magic, i.e. creating a circle and triangle of the art but using hieroglyphs to spell out the names etc, and possibly even using Egyptian names of God as opposed to the conventional ones used. Obviously this would take a lot of work, but I'm happy to put in the effort, and I may even try constructing a whole new circle and triangle using Egyptian symbolism such as the ankh, eyes of Horus, Djed pillar etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Any opinions on this?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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QUOTE(NetherSpirit @ Aug 16 2010, 01:17 PM) *

I'm considering incorporating hieroglyphs or hieratic text into ceremonial magic, i.e. creating a circle and triangle of the art but using hieroglyphs to spell out the names etc, and possibly even using Egyptian names of God as opposed to the conventional ones used. Obviously this would take a lot of work, but I'm happy to put in the effort, and I may even try constructing a whole new circle and triangle using Egyptian symbolism such as the ankh, eyes of Horus, Djed pillar etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Any opinions on this?

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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I've only used a hieroglyph once, thought it was cool. Would be even cooler to have a whole ceremony based on hieroglyphs.

Most copies of "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" put the Egyptian hieroglyphs right alongside the Egyptian translation while also using the proper names. I'm not saying you should cheat, but if there are any particular passages you like you could copy and paste those. ;-) Or, if you haven't read it yet, you could do so now and pick out your favorite names and passages along the way.

My only critical thought... I think it would be difficult to translate any Hebrew into Egyptian hieroglyphs, and possibly much better to substitute from the Egyptian gods while using hieroglyphs anyway. (e.g., dispensing with the typical MI CHI EL found on the triangle). Since you're moving in this direction this isn't much of a comment, but it'd be powerful to "go all the way" with this."





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post Aug 16 2010, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(monkman418 @ Aug 16 2010, 02:20 PM) *

I've only used a hieroglyph once, thought it was cool. Would be even cooler to have a whole ceremony based on hieroglyphs.

Most copies of "The Egyptian Book of the Dead" put the Egyptian hieroglyphs right alongside the Egyptian translation while also using the proper names. I'm not saying you should cheat, but if there are any particular passages you like you could copy and paste those. ;-) Or, if you haven't read it yet, you could do so now and pick out your favorite names and passages along the way.

My only critical thought... I think it would be difficult to translate any Hebrew into Egyptian hieroglyphs, and possibly much better to substitute from the Egyptian gods while using hieroglyphs anyway. (e.g., dispensing with the typical MI CHI EL found on the triangle). Since you're moving in this direction this isn't much of a comment, but it'd be powerful to "go all the way" with this."

I've got a rather nice copy of the Book of the Dead, the E.A. Wallis Budge Edition actually, which has the hieroglyphs, translation etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I found it extremely useful when first trying to understand hieroglyphs! As for names - Amun, Horus, Osiris, Isis, Thoth, Ma'at, and Anubis all seem to be names that would be easily useable in rituals, I'm wondering whether or not to use the Egyptian names or the Greek ones, though? I'm leaning towards Egyptian at the moment.

And Vilhjalmr; hieroglyphs vary from era to era and location to location as far as I know, and other similar languages developed alongside them (such as hieratic) for less formal use I believe, so yes, each different one would be a task in itself.

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QUOTE(NetherSpirit @ Aug 16 2010, 03:28 PM) *

I've got a rather nice copy of the Book of the Dead, the E.A. Wallis Budge Edition actually, which has the hieroglyphs, translation etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I found it extremely useful when first trying to understand hieroglyphs!


Hey cool, I've got the same edition!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yeah, it's great for looking at the hieroglyps alongside the text. Now if I could only figure out exactly what the text means...


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QUOTE(monkman418 @ Aug 17 2010, 09:39 PM) *

Hey cool, I've got the same edition!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yeah, it's great for looking at the hieroglyps alongside the text. Now if I could only figure out exactly what the text means...

Have you read E.A. Wallis Budge's "Egyptian Magic"? I'm currently reading it and it explains various bits of the Book of the Dead, so I'm feeling more confident about reading it now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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