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post Sep 9 2010, 03:18 AM
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Hello Everyone,
Wanted to ask and get some advice.
I;ve been reading couple of posts/replies in this section. And interested,
As i have some questions, is the entity a thoughtform ?
If not, How do both differ.
And what tools/items needed to create.
And what range of tasks can be set, and what are recommended ?

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post Sep 9 2010, 09:15 PM
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Is the entity a thoughtform ?


As the other guy stated, its really semantics. But, taking my own terms, I'd say that a thoughtform is an extension of an entity. Entities are sentient, and have minds of their own. Thought-forms have a more ambiguous sentience, often individual

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And what tools/items needed to create.


Beyond stamina and being able astrally project, prudence. amazing amazing amounts of prudence. Also, being able to make multiple drafts of your constructs, aka killing them and redoing it over and again until its somewhat functional.

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And what range of tasks can be set, and what are recommended ?


Make them as menial as possible. Do not depend on them. One thing I find incredibly silly is that most people seem to think that you can create functional imaginary friends and super soldiers. Its impossible to create an entity with 1. genuine sentience and 2. stronger than you. Its already ridiculously difficult to create something of 'equal' power as the creator.

In addition, they're really just 'programmed' additional spiritual limbs, don't count on them to do things you wouldn't do yourself.

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post Sep 13 2010, 05:42 AM
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Beyond stamina and being able astrally project, prudence. amazing amazing amounts of prudence. Also, being able to make multiple drafts of your constructs, aka killing them and redoing it over and again until its somewhat functional.

I like the idea of natural selection, while you shouldnt create immortal beings, creating ones that have a pre-ordained death points just seems to bypass their right to strive for continued existence.
I understand its better an less cruel not to let 'mistakes' live a miserable life but i would prefer to let the good strong ones survive well past their expected DOD.
How long should an artificial entity exist? to let it be determined by any single thing would be wrong i feel.
To take that into account it would be prudent to include weakness's to maintain a balance;
can it be killed by anyone strong enough?
can it be eaten?
dose it's own strength automatically fade with time? - maybe a finite source of energy used for fix-ups.

Giving a creature challenges in this way could make it stronger rather than weaker as it's intellect would then have a chance to grow.
Actually that would only work if ether the intellect could commune with another like it and/or the intellect were to be transplanted into another 'astral body' after it's old one had died.
It's memory of it's previous life would then have to be fragmented so as to not diminish the drive for life over death.
In that way it can learn to avoid it's mistakes in its previous existence while still valuing it's current one over others it may have.

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Make them as menial as possible. Do not depend on them. One thing I find incredibly silly is that most people seem to think that you can create functional imaginary friends and super soldiers. Its impossible to create an entity with 1. genuine sentience and 2. stronger than you. Its already ridiculously difficult to create something of 'equal' power as the creator.

I would disagree on a few points there, for one it depends on what you would call stronger, if a man makes a car that car is capable of many things a human alone isn't.
the versatility of a human is his primary strength so i like to think of Egregors as being stronger in different fields due to their entirely astral existence.
Second; sentience? what do you mean? because we are not just talking about entity's created according to this standard procedure, i put it to you that creating sentience is the ultimate goal of some types of magic, not easy achieved but not impossible.

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In addition, they're really just 'programmed' additional spiritual limbs, don't count on them to do things you wouldn't do yourself.

I think that depends on how you see an make them, when they do things you wouldn't normally do you are only responsible for actualizing your will at the moment of creation,
the control as a creator simply fades as the entity absorbs experience and love from the universe it inhabits,
it is humbling an frightening to realize how important a single moment can be.
but it really depends on how you create them as to weather those actions are in direct alignment with your current will.

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