Anybody Else Want To Start An Organization? Options

Anybody else want to form a sort of magickal EPA? I've seen too much ridiculousness of non-magickal people attempting to peacefully resolve things which obviously cannot be resolved without some magick.

As magicians, wizards, witches... whatever the hell you call yourself, we are all tapping into the forces of the earth to use our magick. Whether you prefer summoning demons, selling souls to satan, smashing things with storm winds or stirring herbal poultices, we all use power from the earth to do what we do - whether the gods of it, the souls of the people on it, its own very components or things that we grow in it, we rely on the earth magickally - to exclude the very basic necessities of life (food, water, air) that it gives up.

As far as human forces like devlopment and legal hunting go, there's no reason to interfere - that doesn't require our help. However - slowing global warming and regulating weather patterns is something which normal people clearly have no ability to stop. Shall we band together and fight destruction or let the natural world go to hell around us?

As humans it's our problem and that makes it our duty to solve it. So will anyone join me on the way?

There already is a movement going on...and it is incredible.

People are waking up...en masse.

The old world is dieing and a new one is being born.

People used to worry about falling off the flat earth, as though all of our buildings were just hors d'ouevres on a tray fit for Titans. If they knew how many people lived in China, they might have argued for more people moving to France just to avoid tipping the balance and dumping civilization into the void.

The amount of carbon and numerous poisons thrown out by one modest volcanic eruption dwarfs the entire output of industrial civilization. I'm definitely all in favor of a higher level of ecological stability in commerce and industry, but I'm not going to be worried about Global Warming. If anything, it will create more rain for this desert where I live and thus save me the water bills for my lawn.

I strongly suspect that the current reduction of first-rate industry is fueled by an attempt to provide a slight competitive advantage for developing countries, since so much of our production depends on their labor and infrastructure.

The original EPA was designed as a way to arbitrate between industrial producers and the legal interests of physicians, developers, and others who might be upset about the presence of pollution and poisons. Keep in mind that the existence of the EPA allowed a lot of people to make a vast amount of money by demanding that everyone else abide regulations they supervise or suggest.

What specific problems would you choose as a focus for your EPA?
What would be the benefit for those involved?
What support would you choose?

I'm not interested in aiming a vague opposition at Global Warming.
I'm mildly disinterested in anything that does not require real commitment from myself and the others involved.
I'm all in favor of using magic in an organized way to accomplish that which money and power cannot.

People used to worry about falling off the flat earth, as though all of our buildings were just hors d'ouevres on a tray fit for Titans. If they knew how many people lived in China, they might have argued for more people moving to France just to avoid tipping the balance and dumping civilization into the void.

The amount of carbon and numerous poisons thrown out by one modest volcanic eruption dwarfs the entire output of industrial civilization. I'm definitely all in favor of a higher level of ecological stability in commerce and industry, but I'm not going to be worried about Global Warming. If anything, it will create more rain for this desert where I live and thus save me the water bills for my lawn.

I strongly suspect that the current reduction of first-rate industry is fueled by an attempt to provide a slight competitive advantage for developing countries, since so much of our production depends on their labor and infrastructure.

The original EPA was designed as a way to arbitrate between industrial producers and the legal interests of physicians, developers, and others who might be upset about the presence of pollution and poisons. Keep in mind that the existence of the EPA allowed a lot of people to make a vast amount of money by demanding that everyone else abide regulations they supervise or suggest.

What specific problems would you choose as a focus for your EPA?
What would be the benefit for those involved?
What support would you choose?

I'm not interested in aiming a vague opposition at Global Warming.
I'm mildly disinterested in anything that does not require real commitment from myself and the others involved.
I'm all in favor of using magic in an organized way to accomplish that which money and power cannot.

Alright so apparently global warming is of no concern to you people - who cares if DC, NYC and LA all sink beneath the ocean, you get free lawn care!!! And best of all, since you're not checking your greenhouse gas fumes it's going to be raining carbolic acid!!! Well isn't that just peachy?! Now you can forget the water bill, you just have to pay for pH balancers!! No biggie... But since this seems to irrevocably be the case despite the lack in logic (a volcanic eruption does emit more CO2, but the environment is equipped to deal with volcanic eruptions - not volcanic eruptions AND industry. Additionally, volcanic eruptions happen so rarely that it's hardly even significant).

I would probably form divisions and put a head at each division to make a council of sorts - one to head global warming, one to head weather control, one to regulate ecosystems, one to regulate aquatic pollution and another to harry people committing vile acts against nature (HARRY, not kill or harm). Something like that. Haven't quite got that far, I'd need enough people first.

Hmmm... a healthy planet with significantly less of an environmental problem would probably be up there... practicing your magick never hurts... and you can be vindictive towards BP (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I wouldn't facilitate a payment system or something, but the group itself would provide the above things. I'd also set up a method of communication for the people involved in the group so that they can contact each other - so Tomber can learn his Astral Projection, I can learn my Candle Magick, etc. In short, knowledge, experience and a healthy planet.

Explain what you mean by what support? I don't quite grasp the question.

It would require a commitment to do stuff, I just wouldn't say "if you join you have to be active from this time to this time and you have to join for this amount of time and contribute this much." The "department heads" would get their cases and then spread them out as they saw fit according to the strengths and weaknesses of the people in their sections.

It's a magickal government!!!!

Which led me to more ideas.

Once I have the initial department heads, we'll draw up a sort of group constitution and find impartial people who aren't a part of the active group who we run controversial things by to make sure they're not against said constitution - they're our supreme court. All of the members as a whole excluding the department heads can make up "congress" - the legislative branch. It's the US government without a president and all about magick, put simply.

So, this never addressed the question. Is anyone interested?? Yes/no???

And how do you know that such a thing does not presently exist?

You're not the first person to get a bunch of people together to do magic for the good of the planet. And who knows, perhaps we'd be worse off without them.

Although, perhaps apparently random natural disasters of such a magnificent scale as we have seen lately are also the inadvertent result of said 'well intentioned' magic.

Or, perhaps the earth is a tidy system slowly cleansing itself of the infection.

If your own body's bacteria gets out of control, you will get sick - on the other hand, if you killed it all off, you'd get sick. There's a balance in there somewhere and your body maintains it. Get it?

And, what about establishing some baseline integrity for the involved practitioners? Anyone with a passing interest in magic? Anyone who wrongly believes that your magical EPA has occult secrets no other order has?

I attempt to make a minimal impact on the environment. Applying magic to this scale is not the most efficient use of the tool. Making yourself heard, acquiring a greater understanding and wisdom regarding exactly where to apply pressure to the system, crafting yourself into the kind of person who can be a mover and shaker, is a better path, for more longstanding change. If you don't like the way things are, then work hard to make yourself into the kind of person that can do something about it. Trying to solve these issues with common magic is, frankly, reflective of a desire for instant gratification - which isn't wrong, but comes paired with the lack of patience or resolve to become the kind of heavy hitter that can make things happen in a real and longterm way.

Use magic to get to the top, by all means, charm, curse, and bless your way there. Do magic from the top to get what you want done with little resistance. Less than that and one is unrealistic and not really passionate enough anyway.

I say, no, not just now. And to be entirely honest, I do not think you are qualified to take part in such a thing anyway. And we certainly don't need more shadow government. Keep caring though, hopefully that passion and creativity will carry you to the top.

peace

And to be entirely honest, I do not think you are qualified to take part in such a thing anyway.

Thanks for that.... because you definitely know me.

ok yeah i read this thread, and to tell you the truth i think vagrant dreamer made a really good point. besides, magic will do nothing for you if you do not pursue a physical actualization of it. magic, for me, has never allowed for laziness. ok guys, whose up for being a world cop AND a couch potato? not happening. we can chant all we like, but until we put the PHYSICAL effort into bettering our world there will be no resolution.
On another note, think about it...there will ALWAYS be chaos. It is part of life. If we didn't have chaos we wouldn't have life. If we didn't have chaos the entirety of our existence would be a flat no-dimension line that went on into eternity. Chaos is not always a bad thing. Of course we should strive for what we think is right...but there are too many disagreements (in our motives and ideals) amongst the lot of us for such a plan to go off without a hitch. As a secular whole, I doubt even with the best intentions, we could maintain the integrity and the [b]purity that would be needed to make a lasting and happy influence.
I do not think condemning us 'people' for worrying about our water bills in the face of economic crisis, and because of that accusing us of taking a backseat to global crisis, is appropriate. We SHOULD be worried about our water bills. What is wrong with serving one's greater good as long as it does not hurt the general whole? What is wrong with hoping that one's comfortable and healthy lifestyle is the product of the general whole's advancement in greener technology and marketing trends? I think its a pretty sensible and down to earth approach. Your approach however, in lu of reading the 'hypocrite' post, does not seem grounded at all. Learn to take some heat and then maybe I'll be interested in your 'making a difference' talk.