Copper Levels In Women (clipped From Earlier Post), And the value of References. Options

I would like to keep everything within the realm of known science. I would love to see a QUANTITATIVE (with math - that I can read) study which validates that men have more Iron in their "system" and that women have more "copper" in their system. Are we talking copper metal, copper compounds? cuprous oxides? ... and for iron - ferrous oxides? ferrous nitrate? ferrous sulfate? ... which chemicals are we talking about here. If we are going to bring science into the discussion we should CITE the document or literature which supports the claims being made. Second, if you are going to connect magic to science please do so with some grace and courtesy to scientists who are working exclusively in the boundaries of empiricism (i.e. none of this "women have more copper (unknown compound) than men, (how much more please provide statistics numbers charts graphs analysis of variance .... anything - in what part of the human anatomy or biology was this demonstrated ?? etc.) and this is why women are connected with or identified with Venus (the planet - the archetype - my roommates bunny named Venus ... what do you mean???) AND copper (obviously not a scientific conclusion). Please do not spout facts which have no basis in the literature.

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I would love to see a QUANTITATIVE (with math - that I can read) study which validates that men have more Iron in their "system" and that women have more "copper" in their system.

Women are more likely to have low iron levels. Female gerbils have more copper than males.

Not exactly what you asked for, but there doesn't seem to be much about this. Regardless, I agree with your general sentiment: there is far too much vagueness in the occult community, and if magic is connected to science, the posited connection ought to then be measurable.

On the other hand, I agree with the point Vagrant is making: if an object is associated with a ritual, the ritual most likely requires that object. (Edit: well, it appears he isn't quite making this point. I guess I am, then.) Magic differs from painting in that objective results are (apparently) obtainable - there will therefore be a way to measure if one method is more effective than another. There may actually be only one best way, Western cultural lens or not!

This post has been edited by Vilhjalmr: Feb 6 2011, 02:54 AM