QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Feb 6 2011, 02:32 PM)
Are you serious? Copper compounds are connected to proper processing of estrogen and are critical to maintaining fertility. I shouldn't need to point to papers for this, it's taught as part of basic human physiology classes. Google it for endless amounts of information on both of those statements. I didn't make a scientific claim - I referenced traditional associations and reasons given for them as they apply to occult practices. No more explanation than that should be necessary, pay attention to context and read thoroughly, please.
Vagrant, please produce something in the literature to establish the validity of your statements. In science, even the most basic formulae or concepts must be validated and revalidated empirically. If your statements regarding the concentrations of various materials human physiology are indeed not a fabrication (as I suspect they are) then you should be able to demonstrate their validity in the literature. Ex:
QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Feb 6 2011, 02:32 PM)
Are you serious? Copper compounds are connected to proper processing of estrogen and are critical to maintaining fertility. I shouldn't need to point to papers for this, it's taught as part of basic human physiology classes.
Yes I am serious. In your first quote you mentioned "copper" and now it is "copper compounds". What compounds ? A given compound might interact in a vastly different manner with the biology than compound B. Ex. Immunoglobulin-G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunoglobulin_G) and Hemoglobin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemoglobin) are both "proteins" but have very different functions. One is an antibody and one binds to oxygen and transport it to cells the body. Second, what exactly do you mean by "processing" of estrogen. What is processing the estrogen, how is it being "processed" via these "copper compounds" to "maintain fertility".
If indeed you do produce a document which supports your claims then I will am more than happy read it and formulate an analysis as my understanding provides. Any claim that you make may be regarding the concentration of some compound in the physiology falls well within the bounds of science.
QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Feb 6 2011, 02:32 PM)
I didn't make a scientific claim
You did. You said women have more copper than men etc ... this is something that can be measured.
QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Feb 6 2011, 02:32 PM)
I referenced traditional associations and reasons given for them as they apply to occult practices. No more explanation than that should be necessary, pay attention to context and read thoroughly, please.
Science should stand in parallel with occultism so yes a scientific explanation is ENTIRELY necessary. If you have an idea and cannot provide a scientific explanation, then simply say so - leave it to the community to validate it. If you are talking about an experience, then describe your experience in a scientific way (as your abilities permit).
QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Feb 6 2011, 02:32 PM)
it's taught as part of basic human physiology classes.
Finally, I find this statement quite patronizing. Please, do not assume the span of my knowledge and please do speak with integrity as it demonstrates character.
There is too much invalidity in magick - and not enough fact checking. If we are to advance as a community, we should seek to embrace disciplines outside of that which indulges our fantasies. Furthermore, I would like to motivate the community towards a higher level of discussion which is coherent with the principles of science.
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(Perhaps this discussion should be moved to a different thread as it deviates from the original topic of Necronomicon)
Copper Levels In Women (clipped From Earlier Post), And the value of References.
sirius666 Copper Levels In Women (clipped From Earlier Post) Feb 6 2011, 01:47 AM
Feb 6 2011, 01:47 AM
