Copper Levels In Women (clipped From Earlier Post), And the value of References. Options

I would like to keep everything within the realm of known science. I would love to see a QUANTITATIVE (with math - that I can read) study which validates that men have more Iron in their "system" and that women have more "copper" in their system. Are we talking copper metal, copper compounds? cuprous oxides? ... and for iron - ferrous oxides? ferrous nitrate? ferrous sulfate? ... which chemicals are we talking about here. If we are going to bring science into the discussion we should CITE the document or literature which supports the claims being made. Second, if you are going to connect magic to science please do so with some grace and courtesy to scientists who are working exclusively in the boundaries of empiricism (i.e. none of this "women have more copper (unknown compound) than men, (how much more please provide statistics numbers charts graphs analysis of variance .... anything - in what part of the human anatomy or biology was this demonstrated ?? etc.) and this is why women are connected with or identified with Venus (the planet - the archetype - my roommates bunny named Venus ... what do you mean???) AND copper (obviously not a scientific conclusion). Please do not spout facts which have no basis in the literature.

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There are things in the 'real' material world that science cannot measure--emotion comes to mind here. Does that mean emotions and feelings aren't real? What about the effects of experience? Does that mean they're not real, either?

No; I don't think I implied that, either. Instead, what I would say is that these things will eventually be measurable. In fact, emotion already is, to some extent; you can monitor brain activity.

Assuming that the 'material' world encompasses the subtle worlds that magic proposes to deal with is a major assumption. It might be true, of course, and hopefully time will tell on that. But it may also be that magic acts through a purely spiritual medium which is connected to the material world by consciousness alone - that there is no 'gradient' from material to spiritual but that there is a literal gulf between them. I suppose that without a sure knowledge either way, at this point it's a matter of placing bets, and that amounts to individual paradigms of magical cosmology.

That's true; I just think the evidence lies more heavily on one side than the other.