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Hey All,

As you can see this is my first post so be gentle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rule.gif) .

I tried for years to find a good place to talk about this with someone capable and after seeing the posts and answers around here I quickly decided this is the perfect spot.

I must tell you something that happened to me when I was younger which made me believe there must be something else out there.

I recall my experiences quite clearly and these are as follows:

- First of when I was about 5 or 6, I was sitting at my table with 2 other persons around me and eating, it was around 6-7 o'clock PM. All of a sudden my eye got fixated in an average point on the table and after a few seconds it was like I was looking inside of me, I felt my neck bent like you would when looking at your shoes and saw...my soul? It was a steam or white fire, it moved like it wanted to "wear the meat suit" more comfortably. The space between "my soul" and the rest was black. After I don't know how long, I came to and was very startled.
I don't know what to make of it, do you think I really saw my soul? I mean that's how it felt like but...really?
- After the above episode, I was in the same place in my kitchen and while hearing my mom speaking with someone I kinda relaxed and stared at the same table (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) and found myself after a few seconds outside my body, looking at myself...I was together with 2 other persons I think at a kind of balcony with glass and looking at the whole kitchen. I always thought this was an OBE but now, when trying to exercise to have an OBE or astral projection I can't...
Was it an OBE, can they be so spontaneous?
- Finally after a year or two I started having premonitions, when I say premonitions I refer to a bass sensation in my chest like a ball or a sphere of energy pulsating with different intensity... I have them still with no change, they let me know with 24h ahead of every big disasters. I feel a strong intermittent beat which goes on for 5-15 beats, depending on how big is what's coming. I have them for good things but mainly for the bad ones. I had these premonitions prior to almost every earthquake over 6-7 degrees Fahrenheit, 9/11, etc...
Can I do something to enhance these premonitions and are they related to my prior experiences?...Anyway I meditate with every chance I get and I tried to concentrate and "look inside" me again or at my premonitions but to no avail...

Thank you and I hope it wasn't very boring, I want to start my path in magick and I am looking for a teacher actually (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but I will document myself further and come back here for impressions or problems.

Have a great day

This post has been edited by Spliff77: Apr 19 2011, 06:31 AM

Hey welcome to SMF.

I would say experiencing an OBE like that is completely possible. One time I had a headache and when I laid down I accidentally astral projected ha. It has only happened once so I guess even though it's not common it happens. About your "premonitions" I suppose they could or could not be real I don't know what to say as far as validating your experience but I would question whether or not it even matters. To me, and I think most serious magicians, I think the important factor is whether you can reproduce the desired effect at will. For example what good is it to say "I have lifted my right arm" if it only happens sporadically? It is a good conversation piece but not of much value magically, except that you have experienced the experience you want to reproduce, which in itself helps a great deal.

I'm am positive that I have had "premonitions" twice recently but I have the bad habit of not writing down my dreams (which is how I experienced them). Unfortunately I have no idea how to work on this way of, literally, seeing the future so I can't really comment on how to go about developing it. I doubt many people could except in a broad conceptual way.

I guess what I would say is to not focus on any experiences except the ones you have produced (or induced I suppose) yourself at will. Accidental experiences are probably negative since they reflect a mind which is out of control in some way. But don't take that as negative! Just work on it a bit. I believe the most important part of progressing in magic is repetition regardless of results. The probability of you producing a result will go up over time until you have a 100% rate of reliability in normal circumstances.

Goodluck!

This post has been edited by ☞Tomber☜: Apr 19 2011, 05:11 PM

Hey welcome to SMF.

I would say experiencing an OBE like that is completely possible. One time I had a headache and when I laid down I accidentally astral projected ha. It has only happened once so I guess even though it's not common it happens. About your "premonitions" I suppose they could or could not be real I don't know what to say as far as validating your experience but I would question whether or not it even matters. To me, and I think most serious magicians, I think the important factor is whether you can reproduce the desired effect at will. For example what good is it to say "I have lifted my right arm" if it only happens sporadically? It is a good conversation piece but not of much value magically, except that you have experienced the experience you want to reproduce, which in itself helps a great deal.

I'm am positive that I have had "premonitions" twice recently but I have the bad habit of not writing down my dreams (which is how I experienced them). Unfortunately I have no idea how to work on this way of, literally, seeing the future so I can't really comment on how to go about developing it. I doubt many people could except in a broad conceptual way.

I guess what I would say is to not focus on any experiences except the ones you have produced (or induced I suppose) yourself at will. Accidental experiences are probably negative since they reflect a mind which is out of control in some way. But don't take that as negative! Just work on it a bit. I believe the most important part of progressing in magic is repetition regardless of results. The probability of you producing a result will go up over time until you have a 100% rate of reliability in normal circumstances.

Goodluck!

Hey Tomber,
Thanks for the reply, you may have nailed it...if I think better the out of balance mind is a good explanation for the OBE's at the time. Regarding the premonitions I need to study more about energy and maybe get more serious with meditation, but as you said as long as it's not something controlled or fully understanded it's not a priority. How did you know which path in magic you feel more comfortable with? I have in front of me many ways but I find myself questioning which is the most appropiate one...I want to be in touch with the nature more and develop knowledge from higher beeings...so invoking comes to mind. What do you know of EA or Angels?

This post has been edited by Spliff77: Apr 19 2011, 10:39 PM

Hey Tomber,
Thanks for the reply, you may have nailed it...if I think better the out of balance mind is a good explanation for the OBE's at the time. Regarding the premonitions I need to study more about energy and maybe get more serious with meditation, but as you said as long as it's not something controlled or fully understanded it's not a priority. How did you know which path in magic you feel more comfortable with? I have in front of me many ways but I find myself questioning which is the most appropiate one...I want to be in touch with the nature more and develop knowledge from higher beeings...so invoking comes to mind. What do you know of EA or Angels?

I pretty much agree with Tomber. I had a similar experience that led to my occult studies, the only way I could describe it was a sudden feeling of "divine bliss" that I used to get for no reason. I then crafted a way of using this feeling and invoking it at will for magick and got pretty good results. My point being, study all of the aspects of these premonitions and especially how they feel, then try to have more of them by using the memory of the previous ones. As for entities, I suggest reading through several grimoires to find out which ones speak to you, I know enochian spoke to me from the first line I read about it. But the traditional archangels (Michael, Gabriel, Raphael) are pretty easy to work with just with a fervent prayer (and maybe their seals) alone.

This post has been edited by ComaOfLoss: Apr 20 2011, 02:13 AM