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Musky Tusk
post Apr 17 2011, 11:30 PM
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I just recently became very interested in Shamanism
I don't really know anything about it, but I'd like to be more connected with nature. I also would like to learn Astral Projection which I have been trying to learn for a couple months now, and from the little bit I've read it seems there's a lot of OBE stuff going on with Shamanism

I was wondering what are a couple good books to start me off?
I've only read a little bit of Shaman, Healer, Sage by Alberto Villoldo


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post Apr 21 2011, 12:25 AM
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Thank you very much for the response
QUOTE(fatherjhon @ Apr 20 2011, 06:56 PM) *

People tend to think of shamanism as some guy out in the wilds doing a lot of rituals with psychotropic mushrooms. Shamans use spirits (and the odd mushroom) but there is a clear separation between shaman flavored magician and a shaman.

Of course

QUOTE(fatherjhon @ Apr 20 2011, 06:56 PM) *

Shaman flavored magic is spirit work using some of the tools of shamanism and does so often as a shallow form of cultural appropriation- plastic shaman who have no interest in the culture they got the tools from, the meaning of the tools, or what they where used for; people who like the aesthetic of shamans. After all, playing with rattles and drums is a simple sort of fun and who doesn't like a good hike.

QUOTE(fatherjhon @ Apr 20 2011, 06:56 PM) *

Necromancy, healing, functioning as a Psychopomp, clairsentience, all revolve around the soul. If your soul is unsuited it, won't mater what mushrooms you find in the woods.

Go think about what you are doing this for and then make offerings of time to the spirits, spend time each day just sitting and making an invitation for the spirits to examine you. They will come and after a time long enough to convince them you are serious they will make contact.

I'm researching shamanism because I'd like to learn how to imitate true Shamans and become a psychopomp as well as develope clairsentience, being a healer/helper.
What interests me about shamanism (from what I understand of it) is learning how to help my current community and other beings in whatever way. I'm very interested in what I guess could be called ancient hunter/gatherer culture and how people used to be so connected to nature, respecting and loving the Earth, unlike how most of modern society is raised. As for the drug aspect, I haven't really given it much thought. I like the idea of using drugs- dmt, mushrooms, ayahuasca - but I'm not interested enough to seriously study this (however dmt is supposed to be very easy to make)

I pretty much live in the forest, and I've got a nice little river in the forest behind my house. I was thinking of having that as one place to go and spend time. There are also some small mountains around.
I was wondering, could I give anything to the spirits as a sort of friendly gesture when I go to spend time? And are there any things that are considered disrespectful when around them and in their area?

Also, would the soul and "body of lite" or astral body be the same?






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QUOTE(Musky Tusk @ Apr 21 2011, 01:25 AM) *

Also, would the soul and "body of lite" or astral body be the same?


Never heard of a body of light, but the astral body is different. The soul is, depending on the system you use, is the immortal part of your "self". In shamanism the soul is the essence of the thing. Mongolian shamans say that every organ and joint has a soul, the Chinese Wu said that there are two types of soul yin and yang that are divided into well over a dozen sub types, and some Amerindian shamans view the soul as medicine. It depends largely on what your doing with the soul that will tell you what the souls is. For example, in the guiding the soul back to a person who lost it requires an understanding of the soul which is a complex of personality intolerant and emotions.

I agree with monkeyGeneral on this, shamanism is not armchair magick. The books cited are good. Don't bother waiting until you know how to be a shaman before you try anything. Go out and try it and you'll learn.


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Musky Tusk   Looking To Start Learning Shamanism   Apr 17 2011, 11:30 PM
Musky Tusk   I was also wondering, when people talk about heali...   Apr 17 2011, 11:58 PM
Goibniu   They mean both healing of the soul (like soul retr...   Apr 19 2011, 12:44 AM
Musky Tusk   Thanks for the info Interesting, I had no idea sha...   Apr 19 2011, 01:16 PM
teopiltzin   If you want to start off on the road of shamanism,...   Apr 19 2011, 08:04 PM
fatherjhon   If you want to start off on the road of shamanism...   Apr 20 2011, 04:56 PM
Musky Tusk   Thanks! I'll check those out There...   Apr 20 2011, 04:48 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I'm researching shamanism because I'd lik...   Apr 22 2011, 09:05 AM
monkeyGeneral   Beginner Books Harner, Michael The Way of the Sha...   Apr 21 2011, 07:23 AM
Musky Tusk   The "body of lite" is just the term Alei...   Apr 21 2011, 01:56 PM
Musky Tusk   That's a big difference between a magician an...   Apr 22 2011, 08:56 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Wow that blew my mind. I don't know why I did...   Apr 23 2011, 08:06 PM
Laguz   I'm new to shamanism as well, it opened itself...   Apr 25 2011, 07:02 PM
Musky Tusk   I'm new to shamanism as well, it opened itsel...   May 1 2011, 12:53 AM
Goibniu   The term animal totem is a bit complicated accordi...   May 1 2011, 10:25 AM
monkeyGeneral   Again. I highly recommend taking a course or readi...   May 3 2011, 01:05 PM
Musky Tusk   I think my animal totem is trying to contact me. I...   May 4 2011, 01:27 PM
monkeyGeneral   Astral projection differs from Shamanic journeying...   May 4 2011, 02:45 PM
Musky Tusk   Thank you I felt that AP and journeying are diffe...   May 5 2011, 01:04 PM
Goibniu   My son has been asking about his spirit guides or ...   May 5 2011, 10:01 PM
Musky Tusk   So I've been walking in the forest more, tryin...   Jul 6 2011, 01:59 PM
plainsight   Figure what your spirit guide is and offer to it w...   Sep 2 2011, 12:06 AM

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