The Truth about Magic and of it's Origin, An old thread that lost it's name Options

Some while back I got into a mad frenzy and deleted all my posts...
and with it the title of this thread.
It might be unfair to the others since the thread is not mine alone.
So here I give it back it's original title.

I don't recall what I wrote in the first post. Only that it was the truth about magic and it's origin, haha. (I can't possibly be the only one that has been drunk or drugged while writing posts.)


-thief

This post has been edited by thief_and_a_liar: Sep 8 2005, 11:24 AM

Hey.
I forgot I had created this thread. I think I was drunk too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

HenrySpencer here gives us an impression that he knows what is magic and what is not. He ain't telling though. He certainly know that I have no idea. Let me quote:

A lot of nonsense that has nothing really to do with Magick seems to get lumped into it and that deeply grieves my heart as all of that BS is what makes it difficult to convey what it is we are doing. Some of us are calling what we do Magick when it really isn't. The result of which is like the first post in this thread. By the way, there is no "real truth" behind anything.

I seem to be the result of something here...

Well, it's a big topic that probably shouldn't be put into a simplified generalization ( the ones I like so much to make). Magic for me has to do with the Mind. Manipulation of own beliefs, emotions and thoughts. Let's say you take an object, any object, and turn it around in a way you never tried before, and the next day you get what you wanted. Hell, that's magic! (But for HenrySpencer this is not magic.)
I focus on playing like a child, getting amused and fascinated by things around me, and from this I get creativity in abundance. Would I have thoughts like this if I never explored the world of magic? (I have no idea.)

Magic is a broad field. So I'd like to know which parts you condemn as bullshit.
Myself I see potential in all.


-thief

Yes you could assume that when you leave off the first part of what I said.

"Magick" seems to be a word that is used for some things we either don't have better words to describe for lack of context or we are just too full of it and/or too lazy to bother defining what it is in clear language.

With that added back to what you quoted from me your argument falls a bit short. I nowhere suggest that I know what "is" Magick and what "is not" Magick, just some "maybes" and relative opinions. However, I do agree with the manipulation of the mind and nervous system as the #1 part of the practice of Magick which is something you did not quite make clear in your first post and why I disagreed with you initially. The changes that occur in conformity with will don't seem to be physical changes until you develop the faculties to perceive things differently, hence the changes are simply products of altered perception and Magick becomes a way of thinking about the world which alters how you interact with it. In other words there may not be any "real" changes at all but just a new way of experiencing something or interpreting events or simply just paying attention. The map is not the territory but for Magick to work you must act as if the map is indeed the territory but to stay down to earth it helps to keep this practice in mind lest you start living out your self-induced delusions and start detaching yourself from so-called "mundane" life. Magick may be more of a way of engaging the world and not an escape from it. I have been at this stuff for quite some time and have never experienced anything supernatural or paranormal. It is those aspects of supernatural and escapism that are usually injected into it that I tend to disagree with and the literal belief in them and I don't consider that Magick but more as a delusional bi-product of it's practices. But you can take it how you want but remember to look closer. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/search.gif)

This post has been edited by HenrySpencer: Jun 19 2005, 04:38 PM