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post Jul 31 2011, 09:34 PM
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Occultists and Mystics, I trust you will use your Wisdom in reading in-between the lines below, and answer this complex question (which is a struggle for me).
I thank you in advance for reading this post, and for your delicate attention.

"To know, to dare, to will, and to KEEP SILENCE."

A bit of History is in order.

Agrippa's authority on the matter is found in his Three Books of Occult Philosophy.

Lisiewski holds that the operation ought to be performed 'alone' in "Ceremonial Magic and the Power of Evocation."

The temple area should not be entered, nor items touched or seen. If they are, "there can be severe problems for the Magician unless reversed..." But how?!

"Howlings" is strict about even 'touching' the box in which the ritual item (even ordered under the proper auspices) is contained until the right moment!

If our ritual tools or space is invaded by another's mind (via a thoughtform, for example), or touched by another's body--there can undoubtedly be issues unless the Teacher, for instance only, senses it is is O.K., or has a knowledge of the phases of the moon, or has a power or knowledge to "fix" the problem by dictating the student how to solve the 'matter.'

I know a married individual who performed evocations and magic for years and never once let his own wife know! Whether is true or not is open to your own interpretation.

I've thrown away items myself for fear that I had broken a rule. But I did not count the cost, and started over.

I am referring to a System of Magic that is being STRICTLY observed!

To keep silence.

I personally moved away from Ceremonial Magic and transferred into Mysticism (another system entirely).

But as the saying goes, "Boys and their Toys." Some things never change, do they?

**So I purchased a magical item with my boyfriend and the seller used another tool to help me choose it (the latter also purchased). These were under no magical auspices by the way. My boyfriend witnessed my purchasing of it, but I somehow felt that a part of his thought transferred into the item, not making it less powerful necessarily (power is in MY mind), but I feel awkward that if we break up for any reason (or fight etc), the item will be tainted with that memory because it was MARKED by an experience of an old lover, for instance. I would want to keep the item but it may be a distraction for my intention. I have decided to keep the item anonymous for a couple reasons, but also because technically, it could be ANYTHING. This is the "problem" I am addressing in my post. He knows about the item, but he was not of a magical mind that I know of, at the time of the purchase. Whenever I use the item, he seems to be "associated" with it.**

I have since allowed him to use it with me in a moment of great, great, trial which instantly brought about results--but this was MY choice.
I have also allowed others with Mystical mindsets to see and handle it but only because I allowed it!

I have allowed him to use other items such as stones etc because it was MY choice but something about a romantic association with him really bothers me. It becomes a memory in the past if anything goes wrong and will distract me from my INTENTION since it is a magical item being used with mystical techniques (to help me FOCUS mainly).
His thoughtforms of contempt for the item which I am using perhaps after a fight for example (even though it it's physically hidden) may interfere. He has just almost always been around with me at the time of my purchases--it's just the way it has happened.

Should these expensive items be discarded? How can I resolve this issue in my own mind mystically, magically, psychologically?

I know a Mystic that saw this item and he said "what you bought was sacred." If you have any doubts simply say, "It is cleared." He also said that Magical items are only allowed to be used if permission from the Magician is obtained. One's choice is Sacred and there is only a movement forward. But that nagging association...

Alas! What if someone by accident sees the item? A nosey cleaner for example, that was let into the home while one was away

To keep silence.

I know a VERY GOOD friend that joined a Magickal group and told me very personal things even after his dedication. One of the rules is that "nothing can be said" lest disaster befall him. But we have both exchanged Magical secrets so it seems to work for him.

To keep silence.

What is the underlying Magical/Mystical LAW concerning letting others into the innermost chambers of one's mind? I want to work within that Law (who doesn't) in order to bring about the highest results through myself. I seem to be standing in my own way, but there is certainly a form of "cognitive dissonance" here that I can no longer ignore.

The rule seems to be broken for Magical friends, love interests etc.

My question lies in associated memory (of a past date entering a magic store) with a love interest and buying an item with which one is now trying to focus--causing distraction--even his obliteration of an operation due to possible subconscious negative thoughts.

It's complicated, but at the time I trusted and now have what seems to be a technical question.

But to keep silence?


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post Nov 3 2011, 07:02 PM
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Bardon mentions that most of the spirits he has dealt with, in terms of evocation, have tended to insist that most (although not all) of what he told them be kept classified. In Goetic terms, Frucissiere is supposed to be able to give a person a process that will enable them to give a servitor a physical body, but he insists that said process is kept secret.

So among spirits, some amount of secrecy is standard procedure. The usual reason offered for that is because the majority of non-magical society do not have the sufficient levels of responsibility or maturity to be able to handle such abilities, and it therefore must be kept from them until they are sufficiently mature for it, in order to avoid causing major problems.

On top of that, you also have potential social issues to consider. These days, you're not likely to get burned alive if someone knows you engage in extracurricular activities, no; but given how atheistic our society is, you're likely to at least get a fair amount of scorn and contempt if it becomes common knowledge. Within contemporary Islamic circles, it also *could* still get you killed.

I don't necessarily broadcast my own interests, offline. Most of the people who've known me for any length of time, will generally come to consider me strange without magick ever entering the conversation, so it probably wouldn't surprise them...but truthfully, I've experienced enough both physical and psychological abuse for being "different," at various times, that for the most part, it makes sense to keep quiet. On the other hand, where I'm currently living is a particularly eclectic part of the world, and around here, magickally oriented (although white shamanic usually, rather than hermetic/Western) is actually fairly normal.

In summary, while I don't consider keep silent to be a hard and fast *rule*, when in doubt, it generally *is* a fairly good piece of advice. It's always better to be safe than sorry.


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