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grim789
post Nov 20 2011, 08:07 PM
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Ok so i am not sure if there has been anything posted on this i am sure there has but i will ask again. I was wondering what are some good methods to realizing that i am dreaming and to be aware of it without being all the way unconscious throughout my dream. And how could i take control once i realize that i am dreaming? Also what is the best way to build up this control of essentially waking up in my dream? I would like to be able to do this i understand it will take lots of practice which i am wiling to devote myself to. What kinds of things do some here at the community do whenever lucid dreaming? This seems to be all of my questions for now i will appreciate any help given on the matter.


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post Nov 26 2011, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(Imperial Arts @ Nov 26 2011, 02:48 AM) *

Try to induce moments of awkward self-consciousness wihout enduring any real social sitigma. You don't need something that will require frequent explanation to others.Yes, a pink mohawk might make you self-conscious, but it will also distract you. Instead consider a wristwatch with the face covered by a piece of tape. When you check the time, you will see the tape and there will be a brief mental "click!"





That's a really good idea. Do you change what you use after a while because you get used to it? Like say you do the watch/tape thing, do you move onto something else after a certain amount of time?


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Expect nothing, or you will get caught up in the future and not pay attention to the present. Just do the practice diligently, do it because you enjoy it, do it because you believe in it. Don't wait for results, don't wait for it to happen.

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post Nov 27 2011, 12:59 AM
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Yes, and you should grow out of it very quickly. Learn it, do it, and move on from there. My course on dreaming should take about a month if done diligently, and the proof of it is the experience of shared dreaming in which two or more people experience the same dream content.

My own opinion is that dream-magic is useless except in that it accomplishes one of two things. The first possibility is divination, or finding out real information through dreaming. This requires some flexibility and control over the content of dreaming, which is engineered first off-site while awake and later on-site while asleep.

The second possibility is the use of dream-like flexibility while awake, which is where the real paydirt can be found. The dream world provides an arcana that germinates entirely within the psyche, rather than being discovered in books and teachings. You might call on gods and devils out of reference to what you have read, and because they are impressive in those presentations, but every night you have a treasure-trove of symbolism and occult teaching freely installed in your dreams.

The strong emotional ties we have to other people, to our goals, to our faith etc, are all represented here and there in dreams. The dream is a set of clockworks we know they are doing something, but we close the watch and hope they continue, their true mechanism remaining unknown. There is a tremendous personal resource in your dream content which is in every way as valid and applicable as that found in the lore of dead or dying cultures which forms the bulk of occult lore.

"Awake from dreaming, and the truth is known. Awake from waking, and the truth is the unknown," says Crowley. Consider a moment how non-lucid your ordinary life is. How much of it just passes by without your notice! Every time you stub your toe, it is the reality of being unaware of your own body and the proximity of your surroundings which calls to you through the pain in your toe.

The progression of the exercise mentioned above, the moment of lucidity, involves creating specific triggers, and finally establishing a universal trigger which can be applied to any purpose however complex.

Dreaming, in a general sense, is a pathway to real magical work that can be done without offending the beliefs or sensibilities of most people, since we all accept the existence of dreams and few are suspicious of activities done through them. The dream chapter of Secrets of Magic was originally the entire book, a simple pamphlet intended to introduce random ordinary people to the idea of doing something interesting with their dreams, and to serve as a guide for free public group exchanges as might be held in libraries or schools.

I have personally experimented with these techniques regularly since childhood, and have refined them over time to a point where I consider them reliable enough to tell other people about them. If nothing else, it will save some people the price of those ridiculous LaBerge lenses.


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