Dream Awareness Help Options

Ok so i am not sure if there has been anything posted on this i am sure there has but i will ask again. I was wondering what are some good methods to realizing that i am dreaming and to be aware of it without being all the way unconscious throughout my dream. And how could i take control once i realize that i am dreaming? Also what is the best way to build up this control of essentially waking up in my dream? I would like to be able to do this i understand it will take lots of practice which i am wiling to devote myself to. What kinds of things do some here at the community do whenever lucid dreaming? This seems to be all of my questions for now i will appreciate any help given on the matter.

Try not falling asleep in the first place. If you can just relax sort of like meditation your body will fall asleep but your mind will be aware. If you intend to wake up in your dream enough, you will eventually begin to with more and more success.

This is my only complication is that once i lay down and get relaxed i will always fall asleep and i cannot sit in the lotus position because i have a back problem that causes me a lot of pain even sitting down is painful. I have been trying to wake up but i keep trying every night so hopefully it will work out.

I use something very close to what Vagrant does. I only add breathing methods to it. Breathing as slow as I can, pausing at the max and min until my diaphragm relaxes into a neutral space then I begin again. It has any number of helpful effects but mostly keeps your mind active and alert while your body falls asleep. struggling against unconsciousness seems to pull your consciousness mind into your dreams. I find this starts with visuals -fragments of things I have seen of thought of- and at some point recognizing them as illusions forces them to coalesce into a more complex illusion - a proper dream - which my conscious mind has been pulled into. It sounds more complicated than it really is I assure you.

As a side note that spot on the back of your head is called the Jade Gate, it is a minor chakra that governs a state of mind associated with "open-nesn" and "joy-full discovery". A man by the name of Francois Lepine wrote about it as the chakra that "is a doorway to spiritual realities and the forces behind
all movements." Taoists use the point in dream practices (chigong while you sleep).

Imperial Arts has a very good method also. It reminds me of a similar idea in Tibet where it is said that to be enlightened you must know you are asleep. To this end, they advocate "realizing" that you are awake during the day, then doing something to prove it. Mostly it is on the order of picking something up or altering the environment in some way. It progresses from there, but the intent is to accustom the person to working in a reality that may not be anything like what they are used to. It might also be a good way to practice and build up control as you say. Go about picking things up whenever you realize your awake and when you can move something in your dreams, try then to imagine your surroundings changing when you realize your wake. In your dreams the environment is more malleable than what your used to so just imagining that something is changed will often make it so.

For myself, I find remembering what I did the hardest part of the whole affair. Journals are useful, but I had a very hard time remembering to write down what I dreamed. I found that before you lie down, focusing on you body then your chi and then you mind, with the intent that you will remember your dreams in the morning, helped a lot.

I tried to visualize my 3rd eye chakra opening up and allowing me to access my mind whenever i lay down i also try to in vision my whole body surrounded by and aura and it makes my body start to pulse and tingle when this happens its like i am forced to wake up or move around. Any clue what this could be? And yes you are right it does sound a bit confusing from the way you explained it but your understanding is probably a lot more complex than my own although i am slowly learning. And i appreciate your deep answers to help better my understanding.

This is a good method seems like it would take some more of an understanding would you have any suggestions to where i can learn more about this method? Just for some brain food.

I also find it very hard to remember my dreams i never seem to really dream is my only problem how do you realize that you are dreaming if you do not dream? I also tried the journal for about two weeks and found it very hard to keep up with everything in my dreams it did seem to help recall but anymore i cannot even recall any part of my dream after waking except maybe just a few random occurrences that may have happened in the dream.I will try this method out as well i like to try and experiment with different methods in order to find the best one suited for me. Thank you both for these post i always appreciate any help given.

This is my only complication is that once i lay down and get relaxed i will always fall asleep ... I have been trying to wake up but i keep trying every night so hopefully it will work out.

And yes you are right it does sound a bit confusing from the way you explained it.

I also find it very hard to remember my dreams i never seem to really dream is my only problem how do you realize that you are dreaming if you do not dream?

The point is to relax the body but not the mind. When I started dream work I would make a concoction of strong liquor and stimulating herbs so that I was very relaxed but my mind was still active. I have also heard of people inducing heart burn to insure they do not get too relaxed.

There are often four levels of consciousness cited in Tantric schools. The two that concern dreams are the dreaming and the blackness - Forgive me I have forgotten the proper names. Unless you are dead you have to be in one of the four. While you sleep you are dreaming or you are in the black. The black is the plane of consciousness where we can have no memory due to it being inarticulate to the normal mind so it seems as if we are not experiencing anything. though we are. The dreaming state is slightly higher and involves other parts of your mind that can effectively deal with the strangeness you experience. When we forget our dreams we are either spending too much time in Black or never make it to Dreaming state. Moving from normal consciousness to the black is easy - just fall a sleep - going from the black to dreaming is a struggle. You must activity try to get there. It is often suggested that one look at moving from one state to the other like a dull road. Focus your intent and mind past sleeping as if it was inconsequential. Think only about the dreams. (Concentration by Mouni Sadhu is a very good book on this topic.)

What I was trying to articulate before was that you can try to remember your dreams before you sleep. Trying to visualize every aspect of the a dream you partly remember and the effort will pull you along into that dream.

I tried to visualize my 3rd eye chakra opening up and allowing me to access my mind whenever i lay down i also try to in vision my whole body surrounded by and aura and it makes my body start to pulse and tingle when this happens its like i am forced to wake up or move around. Any clue what this could be?

It sounds like you got shocked back into normal consciousness when you realized something was up with your body. Normal consciousness is for everyday things like your body and the only way to understand the body properly is to use normal consciousness. We also have the most experience with it also, so it is not odd you can switch back to it so fast. Try to training that has you realize your awake, it will help with the shock.

The point is to relax the body but not the mind. When I started dream work I would make a concoction of strong liquor and stimulating herbs so that I was very relaxed but my mind was still active. I have also heard of people inducing heart burn to insure they do not get too relaxed.

There are often four levels of consciousness cited in Tantric schools. The two that concern dreams are the dreaming and the blackness - Forgive me I have forgotten the proper names. Unless you are dead you have to be in one of the four. While you sleep you are dreaming or you are in the black. The black is the plane of consciousness where we can have no memory due to it being inarticulate to the normal mind so it seems as if we are not experiencing anything. though we are. The dreaming state is slightly higher and involves other parts of your mind that can effectively deal with the strangeness you experience. When we forget our dreams we are either spending too much time in Black or never make it to Dreaming state. Moving from normal consciousness to the black is easy - just fall a sleep - going from the black to dreaming is a struggle. You must activity try to get there. It is often suggested that one look at moving from one state to the other like a dull road. Focus your intent and mind past sleeping as if it was inconsequential. Think only about the dreams. (Concentration by Mouni Sadhu is a very good book on this topic.)

What I was trying to articulate before was that you can try to remember your dreams before you sleep. Trying to visualize every aspect of the a dream you partly remember and the effort will pull you along into that dream.
It sounds like you got shocked back into normal consciousness when you realized something was up with your body. Normal consciousness is for everyday things like your body and the only way to understand the body properly is to use normal consciousness. We also have the most experience with it also, so it is not odd you can switch back to it so fast. Try to training that has you realize your awake, it will help with the shock.

I will sometimes use herbs in helping me be more calm when i do meditate. The heartburn seems like it would be useful to a skilled probationer as that would be very distracting for me but not a bad idea though.

I know that there is rem sleep maybe that is the name? Its ok though i cant be sure on the names myself either.Would i do this before i sleep concentrate on dreaming so that i will dream? Usually whenever i fall asleep i can be almost asleep but its like i am a tiny bit awake at times but just cant ever wake up in my dream it seems as if i am pulled back into the dark plane. Thank you for the book recommendation i will try and find it i am going to Barnes and Nobles today to look.

Would i visualize a previous dream or just the thought of i will dream whenever i go to practice? Yes it feels like it is pulsing and it tingles this is only when i envision my aura surrounding me. How could i go about training myself to realize i am awake? Sorry to ask so many questions but this is something i am very interested in learning and getting a good knowledge grasp on and all of your post are very helpful.

Would i visualize a previous dream or just the thought of i will dream whenever i go to practice?

How could i go about training myself to realize i am awake?

You will have to both intend to dream/remember the dream AND try to remember a prior dream while falling asleep.

There is no real trick to realizing your awake or dreaming. When you remember to do so, simply stop whatever you are doing and think "I am awake" then do something to prove it. Move a pen if your like, it really does not mater, so long as you do it because you are wake. At some point you will move on to longer and longer periods of time of awareness. Being aware is key. You must know your mind and be aware of when it changes. Again there is really no trick to this; simply a lot of very careful observation. You should also know just because you do this or any other practice does not mean that you will succeed. It is a practice like running or lifting weights you have to do it for a while trying to get better at it before you are fast or strong.

After a month or two of both practices every night or just about you should have a lucid dream. The longer you practice the more lucidly you will dream. If you want to jump start your practice, try to fall asleep when your not tired - say at noon - and do the practice then as well. Every night and every nap is another chance to practice.

There is no real trick to realizing your awake or dreaming. When you remember to do so, simply stop whatever you are doing and think "I am awake" then do something to prove it. Move a pen if your like, it really does not mater, so long as you do it because you are wake. At some point you will move on to longer and longer periods of time of awareness. Being aware is key. You must know your mind and be aware of when it changes. Again there is really no trick to this; simply a lot of very careful observation.

Try to induce moments of awkward self-consciousness wihout enduring any real social sitigma. You don't need something that will require frequent explanation to others.Yes, a pink mohawk might make you self-conscious, but it will also distract you. Instead consider a wristwatch with the face covered by a piece of tape. When you check the time, you will see the tape and there will be a brief mental "click!"

That "click" signifies a few things.

First, it will draw your inward eye to the dreaming practices. Some part of your mind edits that sort of thing out of memory ordinarily, and doing things to notify your brain that you actually want to keep your dreams will loosen up the editing.

Second, you will realize that, because you have a watch with tape on it, that you are awake. If you take a moment to think about how you might not see a watch at all, or no tape, or something different might be there, you are gearing-up for the experience of dreams and their alternate versions of reality.

The "click" also acts as a cue, so that you have a specific instant wherein you attain awareness, rather than a frustrated and prolonged effort all day long. The watch tape will enter your awareness a few times, and at random, throughout the day. The effect is momentary, but enough to make a spot decision on whether or not you are properly in" your experience sufficiently to assert that it is your experience and that it is genuine.

If you don't wear a watch and keep busy, some other stigma might be used, as long as it is incongruent to normal life and encourages a quick self-conscious reaction. The idea is to provide the dreamer with an originating moment for the intervention of self-awareness which is so often muted in dreams.

Try to induce moments of awkward self-consciousness wihout enduring any real social sitigma. You don't need something that will require frequent explanation to others.Yes, a pink mohawk might make you self-conscious, but it will also distract you. Instead consider a wristwatch with the face covered by a piece of tape. When you check the time, you will see the tape and there will be a brief mental "click!"

That "click" signifies a few things.

First, it will draw your inward eye to the dreaming practices. Some part of your mind edits that sort of thing out of memory ordinarily, and doing things to notify your brain that you actually want to keep your dreams will loosen up the editing.

Second, you will realize that, because you have a watch with tape on it, that you are awake. If you take a moment to think about how you might not see a watch at all, or no tape, or something different might be there, you are gearing-up for the experience of dreams and their alternate versions of reality.

The "click" also acts as a cue, so that you have a specific instant wherein you attain awareness, rather than a frustrated and prolonged effort all day long. The watch tape will enter your awareness a few times, and at random, throughout the day. The effect is momentary, but enough to make a spot decision on whether or not you are properly in" your experience sufficiently to assert that it is your experience and that it is genuine.

If you don't wear a watch and keep busy, some other stigma might be used, as long as it is incongruent to normal life and encourages a quick self-conscious reaction. The idea is to provide the dreamer with an originating moment for the intervention of self-awareness which is so often muted in dreams.

I will be trying this out although i do not were watches as i am allergic to a lot of the metals that are used to make them would you have any other methods of doing this? So just so i know i got the context of what you are saying right when using the watch method with tape while awake the mind sees this and realizes it is odd so whenever your are dreaming and see said watch without the tape or something then the "click" happens in order to alert yourself that you are dreaming? Another question i have is what if i have a dream but the watch never appears how will my mind be alerted then? Or what if i do not dream at all or i am in the blackness stage father john was describing. I also look forward to your course Imperial.