Chaos, the Ability to Perceive Options

I promised this thread on another discussion thread and now...I have to deliver.
Just what makes Chaos Magic(k) chaotic?
We are beings with the ability to perceive many things but is Chaos one of them?
How, as organized life forms, are we able to conceptualize Chaos and then produce a 'system' of magic that utilizes this principle? (the idea of a 'system' implies order by its very nature)
A close friend and I are in the middle of this debate...he's a Molecular Biophysisist and I'm a dropout. He claims evidence of chaos exists in many ways and I've asked him to illustrate this. So far I've not heard of anything objective. True, we can say 'chaos' and write 'chaos' but we are doing so with the tools of order.
Let me bow out for awhile and let the over heated air cool and invite ideas from the Forum. Remember, this is a debate/discussion and we should agree to disagree rather than slinging shots! OK? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

There is order in our small little lives, bopping about from a to b, waking up in the same bed everyday in the same place etc. But the amount of order in the universe compared with disorder/entropy and chaos is 1 to a billion billion trillion whatever’s. Evolution is a chaotic system, the Butterfly Effect, fractals, the movement of particles through our 11 dimensions. I can't illustrate further, only to say that chaos is manifest in every physical system to some extent. Order is simply a illusion that we have grown accustomed to in our happy little controlled western lives. Eris is everywhere, in everything.

Humans have invented the idea of order, just as they have invented the ideas of Good and Evil. These things are not real, there are just differing amounts of chaos. The very matter we are comprised of acts chaotically on the micro level, but appears ordered on the macro. The table looks like and always has looked like, a table. But according to string theory and QM, one day it could change into a chicken. There is a chance it could happen, and so, given enough time, it WILL happen. You would think that this is totally out of the question, but if their is a chance, even if its 1 in (insert something very big with several billion zeros on the end), then it will still happen. You list lots of things that 'appear' on the macro to have order, but think about the way it works on the quantum level.

Saying I can directly 'perceive' chaos is like saying I can directly 'perceive' my house without using any of my senses or my imagination, its impossible. However, I don’t see how this adds anything to the theory of Order.

Again, if the universe was an ordered structure then it would be perfect. There would be no accidents, now coincidence, nothing would be lacking or incomplete. The Quabbalah explains this by saying that the original universe was created by the God to be totally perfect, but as it was perfect it collapsed and destroyed itself. This is where the Qlippoth comes from, the shells left over from the last creation, and also that when an Adept reaches Kether consciousness and crossed the abyss (ie, attaining perfection) s/he must take a fall and return once more to the world of action, and also, if the origami martial artists (I forget their name) create a piece of origami that is considered completely perfect, they are expected to move one piece of it or even damage a tiny part of it for fear that it will destroy the universe.

Chaos does not have to be something physical to be perceived, its an abstract concept designed to describe the breakdown/ erratic behaviour of physical systems. The word 'order' is exactly the same.

"Just because we cannot measure some things doesn't mean that they are Chaotic."

Well what else would you say this random atomic behaviour is; do you think that its still order but just too ordered for us to understand?

This post has been edited by Alarum: Jul 14 2005, 10:28 AM