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Enigmius
post Aug 31 2005, 08:57 AM
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I have a really retarded question. As I stated in an earlier post I am new to goetia but not to ceremonial magick. I was wondering how much of the equipment from the Goetia is really essential to get results from this kind of evocation.

I have a circle with the holy names on it. Its not the same form and design as the one from the lesser keys however(its my own design).

I am also making a triangle of art with a skrying mirror on it. So the triangle won't be the floor variety as in the Book.

As for the bass box, sword, and everything else, I don't have them. All I have is standard Golden Dawn equipment(minus the sword).

So do you think all the trappings are essential? Would it not be successful without following it to the "T"?

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post Aug 31 2005, 11:19 AM
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Greetings Eniqmius!
I recommend that you read Kinjo post on Evocation...it's comprehensive in its scope. The actual need for equipment in Goetic Evocation has been hotly debated within magic forums for years. Most magicians agree that one needn't have the full regalia suggested by the manuscripts but, rather, the understanding of what the equipment represents within the ritual(s). This is where the question breaks down.
Personally, I made my own equipment. I learned blacksmithing, weaving, dye making, sewing, etc. and crafted the necessary equipment. If your resources are such that you cannot afford/obtain the required tools, then one should learn how to manipulate astral substance to form these items. The tools are required to focus various aspects of will to perform the task. Your mind is the key here. It is again at this point when the would be novice figures that they are on easy street. Not so. It takes time to hone ones mental abilities to take on the task of evocation. ...Let alone evoking entities that may not want to be evoked! You say that you have the equipment set out by the Golden Dawn. Then you should be aware of the various meditations and rituals involved in creating the tools. It isn't just being able to visualize a sharp sword but also just what that sword represents. In physically crafting the sword one goes through the mental exercises that form the basis of understanding the sword. I know that this is long winded but I hope that I've been able to impress upon you the need to thoroughly understand your project. There are any number of shortcuts and easy paths to this endeavor.....and just as many failures. Take time to do the work/exercises in order to succeed! You will be a better magician for your efforts! Good Luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wizard.gif)
PS Some of the entities are relatively mild whilst others will give you a work out!
If you could just ask them to cooperate and they agree, you have already succeeded! duh.....


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Enigmius   Equipment   Aug 31 2005, 08:57 AM
Enigmius   And how tricky are these spirits really anyhow? Or...   Aug 31 2005, 09:25 AM
| Kinjo   Theoritically, the grimoire was written for exper...   Aug 31 2005, 11:22 AM
Enigmius   What I also wonder, is in some books they say the ...   Aug 31 2005, 12:09 PM
bym   Ok....... Its going to be one of these Q&A abo...   Aug 31 2005, 12:26 PM
Athena   How many books have you read on the topic? How man...   Aug 31 2005, 02:18 PM
Enigmius   I think you may be jumping the gun there Athena. ...   Aug 31 2005, 02:59 PM
bym   Enigmius, peace! It would be folly to base yo...   Aug 31 2005, 03:20 PM
Athena   My apologies for the rude reply. Could you fathom...   Aug 31 2005, 09:40 PM
Enigmius   Well you were right however.. I did answer one of ...   Sep 1 2005, 02:52 PM
chaoscrowley37   One thing to keep in mind is that for many of thes...   Sep 1 2005, 07:32 PM
Enigmius   Thanks, I know it sounds retarded but I didn't...   Sep 2 2005, 09:36 AM
jojo   Thanks, I know it sounds retarded but I didn't...   Oct 3 2006, 05:23 PM
Athena   Half the folks will tell you that you can pract...   Sep 6 2005, 11:26 AM
blasphemy2000   I have a really retarded question. As I stated in ...   Oct 27 2006, 03:39 PM
Imperial Arts   I was wondering how much of the equipment from the...   Dec 19 2006, 12:18 AM
palindroem   Wow I.A. . . . your post presents an impressive pr...   Dec 19 2006, 07:36 AM
Imperial Arts   How did you aquire your lion-skin? Is there any i...   Dec 21 2006, 09:47 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings Imperial Art, Each of the tools has a...   Dec 19 2006, 08:10 PM
Imperial Arts   I want to second Palindroem's request for you ...   Dec 20 2006, 12:33 AM

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