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Enigmius
post Aug 31 2005, 08:57 AM
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I have a really retarded question. As I stated in an earlier post I am new to goetia but not to ceremonial magick. I was wondering how much of the equipment from the Goetia is really essential to get results from this kind of evocation.

I have a circle with the holy names on it. Its not the same form and design as the one from the lesser keys however(its my own design).

I am also making a triangle of art with a skrying mirror on it. So the triangle won't be the floor variety as in the Book.

As for the bass box, sword, and everything else, I don't have them. All I have is standard Golden Dawn equipment(minus the sword).

So do you think all the trappings are essential? Would it not be successful without following it to the "T"?

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post Sep 1 2005, 07:32 PM
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One thing to keep in mind is that for many of these questions there is not a "right" answer. There are multiple early editions of the goetia. There are also many modern interpretations of the goetia. Sometimes a comparison between different sources can yield some answers but in some cases only experience can solve problems. You might even develop personal techniques that can aid you. Place the sigil in the triangle, visualize then stare into the mirror? Maybe combine both ideas and paint the sigil within the triangle. Perform the conjuration in english,french, latin, or crowley's more modern enochian?

Perhaps create your own in greek, aramaic, german, hindi, or pig latin?
Use incense to help with visualization or rent a fog machine?
Tastes Great or Less Filling?
You get the point.
This will sound like an extreme generalization but when you ask a question about magick the answer generally falls into I believe this......not here's the solution.

Use the texts as a guide and let success be your validation.

Your work with the thelemic rituals and your judgement of them shows you have already embraced this idea. Now go forth and multiply!

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Enigmius   Equipment   Aug 31 2005, 08:57 AM
Enigmius   And how tricky are these spirits really anyhow? Or...   Aug 31 2005, 09:25 AM
bym   Greetings Eniqmius! I recommend that you read ...   Aug 31 2005, 11:19 AM
| Kinjo   Theoritically, the grimoire was written for exper...   Aug 31 2005, 11:22 AM
Enigmius   What I also wonder, is in some books they say the ...   Aug 31 2005, 12:09 PM
bym   Ok....... Its going to be one of these Q&A abo...   Aug 31 2005, 12:26 PM
Athena   How many books have you read on the topic? How man...   Aug 31 2005, 02:18 PM
Enigmius   I think you may be jumping the gun there Athena. ...   Aug 31 2005, 02:59 PM
bym   Enigmius, peace! It would be folly to base yo...   Aug 31 2005, 03:20 PM
Athena   My apologies for the rude reply. Could you fathom...   Aug 31 2005, 09:40 PM
Enigmius   Well you were right however.. I did answer one of ...   Sep 1 2005, 02:52 PM
Enigmius   Thanks, I know it sounds retarded but I didn't...   Sep 2 2005, 09:36 AM
jojo   Thanks, I know it sounds retarded but I didn't...   Oct 3 2006, 05:23 PM
Athena   Half the folks will tell you that you can pract...   Sep 6 2005, 11:26 AM
blasphemy2000   I have a really retarded question. As I stated in ...   Oct 27 2006, 03:39 PM
Imperial Arts   I was wondering how much of the equipment from the...   Dec 19 2006, 12:18 AM
palindroem   Wow I.A. . . . your post presents an impressive pr...   Dec 19 2006, 07:36 AM
Imperial Arts   How did you aquire your lion-skin? Is there any i...   Dec 21 2006, 09:47 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings Imperial Art, Each of the tools has a...   Dec 19 2006, 08:10 PM
Imperial Arts   I want to second Palindroem's request for you ...   Dec 20 2006, 12:33 AM

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