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post Mar 24 2005, 08:57 PM
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who knows what happends to the souls that belong to people whom committed a suicide?

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post Mar 27 2005, 02:43 PM
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Buddhism and Suicide

The first precept in Buddhism is to abstain from harming living things...including oneself! There is nothing masochistic about the Buddha's teaching (such as love others but be really mean to yourself!). On the contrary, Buddhism is not only about caring for others but also about preserving a healthy body and a positive mind for oneself. Therefore, suicide is seen as morally wrong and will result in negative karmic consequences (see karma). For example, it might mean being reborn in one of the hells, or as an animal or as a hungry ghost (see samsara). To take one's own life, is also to destroy the advantage that human life affords for spiritual progress, even for gaining enlightenment.

As with most moral issues, the degree to which this can be said to be morally wrong will depend on all sorts of factors - the mental health of the individual, the external pressures bearing down on that individual, and ethical factors that might impinge on the situation. For example, to what extent is a manic depressive culpable? What about the person who commits suicide because of a broken heart, social rejection, or unbearable physical pain? What about the person who kills himself to save others (a patriot, for example, who captured by the enemy takes cyanide rather than risk revealing under torture the names of his compatriots)? And what about in the Jataka stories (stories of the Buddha's previous lives) where, as a Bodhisattva, the Buddha slits his own throat so that starving tiger cubs may feed off his blood? (The Hungry Tigress). There was also the case of Vietnamese Buddhist monks in the 1960s who set themselves alight in protest against anti-Buddhist policies.

Ultimately, the Buddhist perspective on suicide needs to be seen in the context of the four noble truths. The first of these sees life as generally a state of suffering or dissatisfaction (dukkha). Someone contemplating suicide is, in one way or another, in a state of suffering, presumably seeking a way to end that suffering. Death, they believe, will bring such suffering to an end. From the Buddhist perspective, however, committing suicide will only lead to further suffering - a worse state in fact. Consequently, suicide is futile as it only makes things worse. The answer to suffering is to uproot one's innate craving (tanha) and to tread the eightfold path to nibbana or nirvana, a 'state' beyond suffering. In the early Buddhist sangha (community of monks/nuns), attempting suicide or aiding someone to commit suicide was an offence that carried with it expulsion from the order.

The Buddha's rational solution is to work with what we are and not try to take short cuts out of suffering. This is not to underestimate the terrible suffering that anyone contemplating suicide must go through when usually emotions are strong and persuasive. Support, counselling, help - in all their various forms - are what someone in a suicidal frame of mind needs most of all.


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ZmiriZ   The suicidal ones   Mar 24 2005, 08:57 PM
| Kinjo   From what I've read (well, I'm not dead ye...   Mar 25 2005, 07:14 PM
Zahaqiel   That's if you're a believer of reincarnati...   Mar 26 2005, 06:08 PM
Radiant Star   I read on a Mediumship site, could have been Colin...   Mar 27 2005, 10:36 AM
| Kinjo   I have an opinion that suicide is just silly and w...   Mar 27 2005, 11:09 AM
DropAndRiver   I can't say I know anything about what happens...   Mar 27 2005, 05:34 PM
Zahaqiel   I'm gonna have to disagree with you Kinjo. Wh...   Mar 27 2005, 05:41 PM
| Kinjo   So let's... :D We come to be who we are be...   Mar 27 2005, 06:29 PM
Mystic Glaze   Wherever one goes after a suicide is left to the s...   Mar 28 2005, 04:16 PM
Wiseone   Well from what I've read those who commit suic...   Mar 28 2005, 09:27 PM
Starlit Knight   In life we walk many paths , most of which is forc...   Mar 29 2005, 06:26 AM
| Kinjo   What we see, what we read and who we associated wi...   Mar 29 2005, 08:44 AM
Starlit Knight   I have to disagree with you Kinjo about your theo...   Mar 29 2005, 07:24 PM
Wiseone   Well...when I got help from professionals it only ...   Mar 29 2005, 09:52 PM
starlore   I wonder just how many of us know how true this ...   Mar 30 2005, 12:50 AM
| Kinjo   Starlit Knight, I don't have any theory behind...   Mar 30 2005, 01:58 AM
Starlit Knight   Could'nt it be just a little bit of a tveory ...   Mar 30 2005, 02:24 AM
mediocracy   Suicide is a choice, an act of Will, it is the exp...   Mar 31 2005, 12:17 PM
Starlit Knight   Come to think of it , are their any recorded incid...   Mar 31 2005, 07:21 PM
Radiant Star   Thinking further, do we know exactly what happens ...   Apr 1 2005, 04:59 AM
daev   I was extreamly depressed about a year ago for a w...   Apr 8 2005, 06:05 PM
Starlit Knight   I have seen a man slowly committing suicide with e...   Apr 18 2005, 09:30 PM
Angel   As far as I konw, there is a certain time proper f...   Apr 20 2005, 03:15 AM
Alafair   However, if there is little left with which to wo...   May 31 2005, 10:44 AM
bym   Greetings! When I was young my best friend sel...   May 31 2005, 06:41 PM
Alafair   With all due respect Bym, the choice of words in ...   May 31 2005, 10:02 PM
mediocracy   To answer the original question - nobody really kn...   Jun 1 2005, 01:55 AM
Radiant Star   I agree with you Bym; it often takes personal suff...   Jun 1 2005, 01:59 AM
Mr_Merlin   A once close friend of mine took his own life near...   Jun 1 2005, 02:20 AM
fleecileez   I know to good links for helping with depresion. ...   Jun 20 2005, 10:03 PM
fleecileez   Do you have/have you had depresion then? The advic...   Jun 21 2005, 04:07 PM
| Kinjo   A good read for the suicidal ones: Osho On Suicide   Nov 26 2005, 04:17 PM
Wanderer   ....i used to have a rule -not to interfere with t...   Nov 27 2005, 03:38 AM
Aunt Clair   As a mystic in alchemy circle we traveled to the G...   Mar 7 2006, 10:10 AM
Makavelli   One's afterlife is greatly determined by their...   Jul 27 2006, 03:15 PM

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