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Mar 27 2005, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(DropAndRiver @ Mar 28 2005, 06:34 AM) We can only try to fix what leads people to suicide in life; we can't determine or accurately presume what will happen to them after the act. So let's... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
We come to be who we are because we're influenced by our environments, our family, friends, social status etc- which results in sets of belief systems.
A person belief system is core determining factor of how he will perform in life. Belief systems is what actually will make or brake a person. It's a "program".
Suicide is sometimes "unavoidable" for some person, because in my opinion, they have as set of self-limiting-beliefs about themself and what they are capable of. This are usually primarily influenced by their family values, society, and other "programmings" other people, opinion or beliefs they have let people to set and sink into their mind consciously or subsconciously. It first began with a thought > opinion > beliefs > convictions. And they're now convinced that life is no good and it's better be dead than living in misery? IMHO, it is a self induced misery - program.
Are people with suicidal tendencies hopeless? Off course not. It may be hard to change them, but it's NOT impossible. Impossible = I'm possible.
Suicidal people "think differently" than happy people. Suicidal person constantly focuses on the negative aspects of their life. They are usually a pessimist. A happy person tend to look at the bright side of mostly everything even when life has dealt them sets of terrible cards - they usually can shrug it off quickly - AS IF - a lot better cards will be dealt tommorow. They are convinced beyond the shadow of doubts that a better day will come.
I think it's all the matter of focus. When you ONLY think of happy thoughts, then your emotions WILL follow. If you slump your shoulders, then you tend to get depressed and vice versa. Depressed and happy people walk, talk, and therefore think differently. This is physiology, and when you change your physiology - the way your body moves, they way you breath, ways you pull and stretches your face, etc - then your emotions will follow - vice versa - then your way of thinking will follow - which will be refelcted in your actions, resulting in a whole different results - thus bettering your life. The very same concept and psychology which make a rich person a far different person from the poor. The rich always gets richer and the poor gets poorer. It's ALL MIND - like the kybalion would say.
When you're depressed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banghead.gif) - as in suicidal person (IMG:style_emoticons/default/butcher.gif) , try this experiment: Go to a mirror and watch yourself making the most stupid silly faces you can make, then force yourself to laugh wholeheartedly even histerically like there is no tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uglyhammer.gif) - Make a complete fool of yourself and notice the instant change in your state of mind and emotions- you simply stop being depressed at that instant moment you change your physiology.
With the same pyschology and psychology concept, if I am to help to better a suicidal person, then the very first thing I'll do is simply talk them out to change their mental focus. Yawning are contagious, so is laughter and I'll pace them to it. Ask them sets of calculated questions that FORCED them to think about what they look forwards to, what they're grateful for in life, who did they love and how does that made them feel, distort the time and bring them to the future - of their design - what would that like? and any other thought's that will make them feel better and keep them focused to move FORWARD towards realizations of these thoughts.
Well, I hope I can explain this in a shorter post, but you get the idea I'm trying to share.
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ZmiriZ The suicidal ones Mar 24 2005, 08:57 PM | Kinjo From what I've read (well, I'm not dead ye... Mar 25 2005, 07:14 PM Zahaqiel That's if you're a believer of reincarnati... Mar 26 2005, 06:08 PM Radiant Star I read on a Mediumship site, could have been Colin... Mar 27 2005, 10:36 AM | Kinjo I have an opinion that suicide is just silly and w... Mar 27 2005, 11:09 AM Rin Daemoko Buddhism and Suicide
The first precept in Buddhis... Mar 27 2005, 02:43 PM DropAndRiver I can't say I know anything about what happens... Mar 27 2005, 05:34 PM Zahaqiel
I'm gonna have to disagree with you Kinjo.
Wh... Mar 27 2005, 05:41 PM Mystic Glaze Wherever one goes after a suicide is left to the s... Mar 28 2005, 04:16 PM Wiseone Well from what I've read those who commit suic... Mar 28 2005, 09:27 PM Starlit Knight In life we walk many paths , most of which is forc... Mar 29 2005, 06:26 AM | Kinjo What we see, what we read and who we associated wi... Mar 29 2005, 08:44 AM Starlit Knight
I have to disagree with you Kinjo about your theo... Mar 29 2005, 07:24 PM Wiseone Well...when I got help from professionals it only ... Mar 29 2005, 09:52 PM starlore
I wonder just how many of us know how true this ... Mar 30 2005, 12:50 AM | Kinjo Starlit Knight, I don't have any theory behind... Mar 30 2005, 01:58 AM Starlit Knight
Could'nt it be just a little bit of a tveory ... Mar 30 2005, 02:24 AM mediocracy Suicide is a choice, an act of Will, it is the exp... Mar 31 2005, 12:17 PM Starlit Knight Come to think of it , are their any recorded incid... Mar 31 2005, 07:21 PM Radiant Star Thinking further, do we know exactly what happens ... Apr 1 2005, 04:59 AM daev I was extreamly depressed about a year ago for a w... Apr 8 2005, 06:05 PM Starlit Knight I have seen a man slowly committing suicide with e... Apr 18 2005, 09:30 PM Angel As far as I konw, there is a certain time proper f... Apr 20 2005, 03:15 AM Alafair
However, if there is little left with which to wo... May 31 2005, 10:44 AM bym Greetings!
When I was young my best friend sel... May 31 2005, 06:41 PM Alafair
With all due respect Bym, the choice of words in ... May 31 2005, 10:02 PM mediocracy To answer the original question - nobody really kn... Jun 1 2005, 01:55 AM Radiant Star I agree with you Bym; it often takes personal suff... Jun 1 2005, 01:59 AM Mr_Merlin A once close friend of mine took his own life near... Jun 1 2005, 02:20 AM fleecileez I know to good links for helping with depresion.
... Jun 20 2005, 10:03 PM fleecileez Do you have/have you had depresion then?
The advic... Jun 21 2005, 04:07 PM | Kinjo A good read for the suicidal ones: Osho On Suicide Nov 26 2005, 04:17 PM Wanderer ....i used to have a rule -not to interfere with t... Nov 27 2005, 03:38 AM Aunt Clair As a mystic in alchemy circle we traveled to the G... Mar 7 2006, 10:10 AM Makavelli One's afterlife is greatly determined by their... Jul 27 2006, 03:15 PM
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