Geomancy Options

Just out of curiosity, how many people use geomancy as a form of divination. I see lots of posts on tarot, skrying, ouija, and other forms of divination but geomancy is sortof the red headed stepchild of divination methods. Why is that? From what I can tell geomancy includes the energies of a specific place in the reading. In the Cicero's book "Creating Magical Tools" there is a blueprint for a geomancy box and geomancy wand. How many people think that such items would be useful? What is everyone's method for crreating the dots and dashes?

This post has been edited by Arcangle90: May 29 2006, 11:09 AM

I think that the lack of response here has proven my point. Come on Golden Dawn and Thelema people. Geomancy is a staple of the art. Who can help a brotha out here?

Well this is disappointing.

Well this is disappointing.

i've tried to look for some definiton for this, but i did not find it that interesting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif) .... Well may be i'm wrong and thst its really interesting.. but if someone give some postivie accounts of this method, then i could have a try.. but not for the time being.

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P.S Dude, I'm no mod but take my advice: avoid one line posts.. I used to get (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sculacciata.gif) for that.. Lol
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All I ever use is my quartz pendulum.
I will google geomancy now...
http://witcombe.sbc.edu/earthmysteries/EMGeomancy.html
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This post has been edited by Quarad: Jun 9 2006, 06:31 AM

Too bad there aren't any other geomancers! It's a form of divination I often use. Geomancy is perfect outside of ritual. Even as something more complex though, I think it's worth defending. The sixteen figures are substantial concepts to be explored. I've used the Caput Draconis as a sigil with good results. I only attach astrological significance where I think it's necessary and not as part of the whole process... although not all Renaissance geomancy was astrological geomancy.

The system explores divination in a few interesting ways. By building new figures from preceding patterns it's like watching card patterns coming out in a tarot reading. Most geomantic figures have a central divinatory meaning: but digging deeper is what divination is all about. Worth experimenting with.

Edit: this is a good place to start, http://www.princeton.edu/~ezb/geomancy/agrippa.html

This post has been edited by tyrian: Nov 4 2006, 02:35 AM

I've started a preliminary study of Geomancy today from Agrippas Three Books of Occult Philosophy. I think I have the basic mechanics more or less down, I understand how to get the Mothers and Daughters, Nephews, Witnesses, the Index and how to chart them. Their meanings I'm foggy on though. I have Of Geomancy and Astrological Geomancy as PDFs though, and plan are reading them very shortly.

It's a very interesting method of divination. Hope I can master it, or at least come close.

I can only talk about arabic geomancy
I understand that pople don't use it
Arabic geomancy necessitates jinns evocations and a magick circle
It's quite complicated and you don't need to perform a global chart (it's like an astrological birth chart) unless for really complicated cases where Tarot, pendulums or runes and I ching da't give the answer
By the way the methode is from china, maybe from india before but in the arabic background it's clearly I ching forms draw on sand

This post has been edited by Ito: Feb 8 2008, 05:24 AM

I am a beginner in geomancy and I just conducted a divination, to ask if I can successfully enter a modelling contest this year, the result i obtain is this:

Mother I

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Mother II

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Mother III

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Mother IV

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Daughter V

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Daughter VI

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Daughter VII

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Daughter VIII

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Nephew IX

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Nephew X

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Nephew XI

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Nephew XII

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Witness XIII

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Witness XIV

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Judge XV

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The Judge is Via, seems to be a neutral sign, but according to some it's a bad sign, while according to certain Arabic sources, it's a good sign. I am puzzled by this, can anyone offer an interpretation?

I'll give a look at your chart

Am planning on taking up geomancy soon as part of my studies, have to admit it does seem overly complicated but then again the I Ching looks that way at first but isn't half as confusing as it seems... its relation to Feng shui sounds interesting otherwise I don't feel the need for such a (seemingly) demanding form of divination, not to sound stubborn or anything not as though all forms of divination should be pocket book sized and easy to use but it seems complicated... would be interested in an online lesson though if anyone cares to write about it....?

Just out of curiosity, how many people use geomancy as a form of divination. I see lots of posts on tarot, skrying, ouija, and other forms of divination but geomancy is sortof the red headed stepchild of divination methods. Why is that? From what I can tell geomancy includes the energies of a specific place in the reading. In the Cicero's book "Creating Magical Tools" there is a blueprint for a geomancy box and geomancy wand. How many people think that such items would be useful? What is everyone's method for crreating the dots and dashes?

Planning on using stones.... might see about that box and wand you mentioned, involves keeping some loose earth and invoking earth spirits to aid in the reading so the box and wand would be necessary... I think, am not too clued up on it yet as you can tell.

This post has been edited by Mchawi: Apr 3 2008, 09:19 AM

Look for the Golden Dawn Journal Series, the book on divination. In it are two of the best two articles I have ever seen on geomancy. One is a beginner lesson that really explains very easily how to do it.

Got it (the book) in the other day, looks good.

Used the Yi-Ching last night and wondered how more accurate a person would want a reading to be .lol. Am yet to get my stones ready to delve into it properly, promises to be intresting to say the least, like using systems that incorporate other facets rather than leave them out.

Peace
M

I think runes are classed as geomancy in divination..unless of course you are talking about summonng earthquakes etc..but i wouldent know anything about that *returns to the shadows*

*comes back* Well you can use a large sea shell to divine and read sand. Just hold the orcaina to your ear and keep listening until you reach the divination state or as some might say gnosis..and the sound of the ocean will turn to voices..voila (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Hope ive been of service.

This post has been edited by Mobius: Apr 30 2008, 08:33 PM

This thread prompted me to look into Occidental Geomancy for the first time. I got Crowley's Liber XCVI (Gaias: A Handbook of Geomancy) and began to study it. I am by no means an expert but I'll give a basic idea of what I have learned so far.

You will need three pieces of paper and a pencil.

The instructions say to make 16 sets of random marks on new paper that has been previously inscribed with a Pentacle bearing the seal of the Intelligence responsible for the sort of question you have. Since Crowley does not provide the traditional sigils of these spirits (they are easily found elsewhere) but does provide Geomantic figures for them, I figure these are just as well for the purpose.

The instruction says to make the Pentacle in the correct elemental formula (the order of drawing the lines, as in the Pentagram rituals), and suggests that if you make it within a circle to make the circle first. He does not specify whether this means a fully-drawn Magic Circle or just a plain circle on the paper, although most of the other sources on geomancy I've seen using his scheme have you just draw a circle and then draw a star in it. I believe Crowley intended the Magic Circle and Invoking ritual, but this is only my own interpretation.

Afterward you make the dots or dashes. Special "malkuth-colored" boxes like Regardie and Skinner describe seem a bit much for this sort of thing since the advantage of Geomancy over Tarot or Runes is that you do not need to carry any sort of occult tools to perform a divination with it.

I found that it is easy enough to fold the paper four times and unfold it again, making 16 convenient sections on the sheet. his keeps the paper free from extraneous markings before the actual divination. The Pentacle can be drawn on the outside of the folded sheet. Again this is just my take on the matter.

You are supposed to make the sixteen sections of random dots while concentrating on your question.

On the second sheet of paper, the Shield, you arrange the four "mother" symbols from the sections of dots, so that the first four make the first "mother" and the second four make the next. If there is an even number of dots you put down two dots on the "mother" line, and odd numbers get one dot.

From these you make four "daughters" by counting the number of dots going horizontally over all four "mothers" lined up with the first on the right. Arrange the daughters proceding further to the left.

Beneath these figures you count the number of dots in the horizontal rows for the first two mothers, then the second two, then the first two daughters, then the second two. These are made into four figures called "nephews" from right to left below the female figures.

Below the right-hand nephews, do the same as for the nephews and make a "right witness" figure, and again for the "left witness" figure, and finally use these to make a "judge" at the bottom.

On the next page, arrange the four mothers, four daughters, and four nephews into the Astrological houses, beginning with the first mother as the ascendant. By adding all the dots together and divinding by twelve, the remainder will show the "part of fortune" which is the resources available to the querent immediately for use.

Unless you understand the basic concepts of Astrology, interpretations will be dififcult. There is a full chart in Liber XCVI for the interpretations of the Witnesses and the Judge figures, which affect the general interpretation for the chart of Houses. if you know the Tarot, it is a good start to read the Geomantic figure corresponding to the Court card as playing its role in the Houses. The strength of the figure's influence is determined by whether it is in its own sign, in its element, in its opposed sign, etc.. and the general activity represented by the figure in that sign will be determined by the figures trine, square, and sextile to its position.

You don't have to open with a banishing but I have found it helps. Basically unlike some other forms of divination you are invoking the planetary spirits to "guide" your hand while you do the dots. Generally you use the correct planetary day and hour if you can but at least the day. The sigils for each spirit are easy to find in other sources.

My method was to draw the invoking earth pentagram within a circle and the sigil within as I set up the sheet. Then when I was ready redraw the pentagram GIRP style in the air over the drawn one. Then recite a short invocation using the standard divine names of earth, ruling archangels, angels, intelligence and finally spirit. Then stab at the paper until I just felt that was enough. Then repeat until I was finished.

There are a number of advanced methods of doing it, some involve testing the figure by fire, water, and air or using enochian correspondences. I know others who have created stones with the figures and would toss stones or others who flipped a coin like in the I Ching.

In my experience I have found geomancy incredibly accurate. It is particularly suited for mundane matters here in assiah.