Salvia Divinorum & Nightshade. Options

And since Nightshade is in the topic title as well, I may as well talk about Datura Stramonium.

I had a datura trip about a year ago, maybe more - spring before last - and I would say that by and large, most people will not react well to a datura trip. It is intensely, deeply, mortally fightening, at least to me.

I smoked a datura cigarette, and drank a cup of tea. First of all, every tea made from any plant that isn't an herb or 'tea' leaf plant, will taste like dirty, mudcacked monkey a**. Just a heads up. No amount of honey will curb the aweful, aweful taste of datura tea. I smoked the leaves and flowers, and added three crushed, fresh seeds to the tea, along with leaves and flowers there as well.

The first sensation was nausea. That subsided, and became a full body numbness, but very light. At that point, I had begun a largely auditory trip. I sat in perfect pose on a cushion and closed my eyes to listen to what the sounds were saying. At first it was all good, things like, "you're going to enjoy this" and "Are you ready to play?" I heard things of this nature for a little while, and then all hell broke loose.

My heart rate skyrocketed, I couldn't seem to get enough air, my body wouldn't respond to my will - initially; with a monumental effort, I was able to pick myself up and turn on the AC, unlock the door, and scribble a barely legible note to leave on my dresser for my friends, should I die (at the time I was truly, mortally afraid of that, but at the same time felt I had a strong enough will to not die).

I fell bakcwards then onto my cushions, and laid there unmoving physically. I think I might have twitched a little. My physical senses began to recede, to the point where I was basically in a mild coma.

And that's when the real fun began, if you could call it that. the voices I had heard before had become more ominous and malevolent. I kept getting images of myself laying dead and cold on the beach of the lake I used to frequent before I came to NYC. There were shapes in the darkness around me, both immediately and in my visions, who were speaking to me in whispers. When i could single out one voice, it was always something generally interesting, but horrifying to hear. One of them was whispering to me about what would happen when i died - about how the world would be shut off from me, and I would have to walk through the darkness alone until I could find my way out. Another voice was kind of taunting me, telling me that I was prideful and that they would make short work of me if I thought I could fight them.

However, at one point during the trip, one of these shadows came forward, and seemed to be a bit more luminescent than the others, and it's voice was more gentle. I was floating amid a forest scene, being stalked by predators from every direction it seemed, but this one figure lifted me up in it's arms, and began to whisper in my ear that I was brave, and that my journey was almost finished, and it wanted to show me something before I left. We came to the water, like standing in the middle of the ocean, water forever in all directions, and the figure bid me to look down and I saw a pod of whales, and could hear them sing, except instead of the normal singing, this sound kind of embodied the entire history of the world. In those sounds, each vibration caused a reaction in my mind that took me to the dawn of man, forward through time examining the spiritual epochs, the moments of empowerment, every major advancement in Conciousness. I saw the crucifixion (but not the ressurection...) of Jesus, the bombs at hiroshima/nagasaki, my own birth, the moment my father left... all up until the moment i came to NYC, all packed into about ten minutes of dreamtime.

Then the figure that had saved me from the darkness lifted me up off of the water and into the sky, into space and the stars, and out across the universe to the very edge - into the darkness outside of the expanded universe, to turn around and look back at it, and it was TINY. I mean, just this pulsing light in the darkness, and ever since then I have never felt at all dwarfed by the universe, or the world, or other people, because I carred back with me the sense that the mind is truly bigger than the universe, than time. God is most certainly within.

After that I floated in the void, gazing at the universe, until I lost cognizance. I woke up the next morning feeling truly, truly aweful, but somewhat more enlightened.

I will probably never take datura again. However, it is an experience in confronting and standing against fear which has changed me for the better permanently, and while I can't say that everyone will have the same experience, it is most certainly a very powerful plant.

peace

I've heard of people smoking Salvia Divinorum for astral projecting..Since I just ordered my ounce of salvia and it wont be here for a while I'd like to here any experiences anyone has had with Salvia. I've heard that Nightshade can also be used for the same purpose. Anyone experimented with these herbs? I'll have my own experience as reference soon, but I'm like my homeboy Jesus..I like to listen lol. Any other experiences with any other herb is welcomed as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-FIat Lux

You are going to love the Salvia bro. Do not buy the leaves or the 3x buy the 10x it will be worth it. You only have to smoke 2 or 3 hits and you will be on your way to a very short lived psychedlic experiance.

One of my greatest visions was on Salvia.

For years I had a theory which might sound very familiar to Kabbalah workers. My theory was that God is the universe. <Therefore according to the Hebrew scriptures it is impossible to make an image of God because to make an image of you would have to recreate the universe.> So if God is the universe then I am a part of God. In realizing that the power of God is within me I can work great magick.

A girl named Leah let me smoke some of her Salvia. It took a few seconds to hit and then it was a total mind F@#k. First I realised that everything around me had its own consciousness and I could hear it talking. Then my mind began to mesh with the objects around me. I became one with the lamp beside me and the chair I was sitting in. I became afraid. I thought oh crap how will I ever function with my mind one with all the objects around me?

I tried to force my mind to break contact with everything around me and in the physical growled loudly and punched my fist in the air which scared Leah.

Leah is a dancer and I then noticed what beautiful legs she had. I told her how beautiful her legs were. She told me that I could touch them if I wanted to and I began to do so.

It is a very short lived trip. You can feel the current simular to water of the universe.

You must have a babysitter to make sure you do not do anything stupid. I really stress this. Get a babysitter your first few trips. It is a comparable feeling to weed but very short lived and very psychedelic.

If you ever wanna smoke some Salvia in Central Park let me know and I will bring a very good strain of another weed.

Edit
I am sorry to hear that U bought the leaves bro. You can smoke that till the cows come home and not get to the level I know that U really wanna get to.
Email me a link to the web syte U got it from and I will order some 10x. If you and Vagrant Dreamer wanna smoke up on the 10x in Central park I am all for it. The only two people I ever shared 10x with kinda freaked out. It is such a killer experiance I feel it is one that needs to be shared though.

Peace!

This post has been edited by smasher666: Jul 8 2006, 10:58 PM

I've heard of people smoking Salvia Divinorum for astral projecting..Since I just ordered my ounce of salvia and it wont be here for a while I'd like to here any experiences anyone has had with Salvia. I've heard that Nightshade can also be used for the same purpose. Anyone experimented with these herbs? I'll have my own experience as reference soon, but I'm like my homeboy Jesus..I like to listen lol. Any other experiences with any other herb is welcomed as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).

.::Sempre Bene::..::Chris::.
-FIat Lux

You are going to love the Salvia bro. Do not buy the leaves or the 3x buy the 10x it will be worth it. You only have to smoke 2 or 3 hits and you will be on your way to a very short lived psychedlic experiance.

One of my greatest visions was on Salvia.

For years I had a theory which might sound very familiar to Kabbalah workers. My theory was that God is the universe. <Therefore according to the Hebrew scriptures it is impossible to make an image of God because to make an image of you would have to recreate the universe.> So if God is the universe then I am a part of God. In realizing that the power of God is within me I can work great magick.

A girl named Leah let me smoke some of her Salvia. It took a few seconds to hit and then it was a total mind F@#k. First I realised that everything around me had its own consciousness and I could hear it talking. Then my mind began to mesh with the objects around me. I became one with the lamp beside me and the chair I was sitting in. I became afraid. I thought oh crap how will I ever function with my mind one with all the objects around me?

I tried to force my mind to break contact with everything around me and in the physical growled loudly and punched my fist in the air which scared Leah.

Leah is a dancer and I then noticed what beautiful legs she had. I told her how beautiful her legs were. She told me that I could touch them if I wanted to and I began to do so.

It is a very short lived trip. You can feel the current simular to water of the universe.

You must have a babysitter to make sure you do not do anything stupid. I really stress this. Get a babysitter your first few trips. It is a comparable feeling to weed but very short lived and very psychedelic.

If you ever wanna smoke some Salvia in Central Park let me know and I will bring a very good strain of another weed.

Edit
I am sorry to hear that U bought the leaves bro. You can smoke that till the cows come home and not get to the level I know that U really wanna get to.
Email me a link to the web syte U got it from and I will order some 10x. If you and Vagrant Dreamer wanna smoke up on the 10x in Central park I am all for it. The only two people I ever shared 10x with kinda freaked out. It is such a killer experiance I feel it is one that needs to be shared though.

Peace!

That would rock, sweet.

peace

Greetings!
I will reiterate....so humor the OLD MAN (me)...please keep the referencing of any illegal drugs and their use to yourselves or to less public methods of messaging. Salvia is fine but not about a more widely known herb held in reverance by the Ethiopian Coptic Church...capiche?

If you ever wanna smoke some Salvia in Central Park let me know and I will bring a very good strain of another weed.

(I'm feeling left out *grin*)
Also...please be very cautious in the use of any of the Nightshade family....scopolamine, atropine and bufotenine are VERY potent and, if misused, can make you VERY sick (if not killing you...or you may just wish to die). Any of the Datura's have been used by many different cultures in puberty/rites of passage, etc. They are also used to decrease the surplus population. Tobacco and others of the Nightshade family are sometimes used to potentiate marijuana effects. The seeds contain higher levels of the alkaloids than the leaves (ie Peganum Harmala - Syrian Rue)
A safer substitute would be plant materials that contain the harmala alkaloids. (see above and Passionflower)


remember....Big Brother is always looking and using this Forum to plan rendevous for drug activity isn't very smart...be discrete! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/face08.gif)

Greetings!
I will reiterate....so humor the OLD MAN (me)...please keep the referencing of any illegal drugs and their use to yourselves or to less public methods of messaging. Salvia is fine but not about a more widely known herb held in reverance by the Ethiopian Coptic Church...capiche?

If you ever wanna smoke some Salvia in Central Park let me know and I will bring a very good strain of another weed.

(I'm feeling left out *grin*)
Also...please be very cautious in the use of any of the Nightshade family....scopolamine, atropine and bufotenine are VERY potent and, if misused, can make you VERY sick (if not killing you...or you may just wish to die). Any of the Datura's have been used by many different cultures in puberty/rites of passage, etc. They are also used to decrease the surplus population. Tobacco and others of the Nightshade family are sometimes used to potentiate marijuana effects. The seeds contain higher levels of the alkaloids than the leaves (ie Peganum Harmala - Syrian Rue)
A safer substitute would be plant materials that contain the harmala alkaloids. (see above and Passionflower)


remember....Big Brother is always looking and using this Forum to plan rendevous for drug activity isn't very smart...be discrete! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/face08.gif)

Point well taken BYM. And so it seems with age comes wisdom. Do you know if the weed Nettles has any negative effects? I smoked a bit of it before smoking some salvia leaves and it did seem to alter my consciousness a bit in a very mild way. Following it with Salvia seemed to increase the effect. I just smoked a bit more tonight and again it has given me a mild high. Somewhere I heard that Nettles can be toxic. This is of course the stinging Nettles plant with 1000 tiny thorns.

My intrest in the plant came from Simons Necronomicon in which it is used as a sacrifice to Bandar and also as an aid to help travel the gates. Nettles seems to slightly decrease the speed of the mind and gives a feeling of the mind being distant from the body. I can definitly see how this could aid astral travel. I have been a bit concerned about how much can be smoked before it becomes toxic. I already put too many toxins in my body as I smoke and drink like a fish. So I was wondering how many bowls can be smoked before it becomes toxic. Right now I am only smoking one bowl with very nice effect. I was thinking that perhaps 3 bowls would be excellent for astral travel but am a bit hesitant to try this. I hope to see as many moons as you!

Peace

This post has been edited by smasher666: Jul 26 2006, 12:04 AM

I know of no known psychopharmacological component of the nettle Urtica Dioca...that doesn't mean that one cannot form an 'ally' with the plant and enter into communion wuth it. Most of the 'high' one experiences from smoking an herb (that doesn't have apparent drug value) comes from the carbon monoxide inhalation though some drug effects will occur. Nettles are used from antiaging to antiallergy effects. Why not conciousness expansion? But...fresh air is what the body likes best in the lungs...

Actually since it's quite harsh you might want to try a water pipe. It'll filter out a lot of the harsh smoke, but if you can handle harsh smokes go for the rolled papers. Adding a little sage, mullien or jasmine will add a little bit of flavour and smoothen in out if you want. I've tried Salvia only in a blend (sadly it didn't do anything besides relax me a bit). Don't they call Salvia the Diviner's weed? I'm pretty sure I remember something to that effect.

Nightshade on the other hand, I've worked with it, but never ingested or smoked. Nightshade is extremely toxic and could end up making you very ill.

Where the heck did you get it anyways? I've looked but I've only found crappy blends that are supposed to "act" like the real thing and end up leaving you with a completely different feeling. (Which is like a putz for ever spending THAT amount of money on something that doesn't work).

Diviner's weed. Yeah, that's one of the names it has. I'm just going to use it as an incense. Besides good ol' cigarette tobacco, I'm not big on smoking, especially after burning my throat with the leaves. lol. I had put my order on the wrong credit card, so had to cancel my order..So, again, I'll have to wait to see what the whoop is. Ah well. Que sera, sera.

.::Sempre Bene:;..::Chris::.
-Fiat Lux

Never heard of salvia or any nightshade plants being used for OBE's. I hear Amanita muscaria sometimes forces you into an OBE state.

peyote and gymsum weed also. salvia usually is good at allowing you to SEE that your existance here is just a dream. Its easy to recognize the other side while using it.
The nice thing is the affect are usually only 10 to 15 minutes and you can sit down and write the experiance or recapitulate it.

Ive had varied experiances from pulling me in one direction. Yes it actually feels as if im being pulled. To meeting the shepardess in a far out dream where she takes me into plants and trees alike. Always trying to sooth me. This only occurs when im nearing the highest dosages.

Have you ever experimented with datura Enochian? Ive never felt the effects myself. I tried eating and smoking my own homegrown seeds and leaves but obviously I did something wrong in the drying process because they had absolutely no effects on me or my friends. We took enough to kill an elephant by the end of it but neither of us felt a thing.

It was definately grown right because I had a nice big plant that I let grow fully until the pods had opened by themselves then harvested.

No but i would like to. LOL hope i dont have to eat a entire salad like you did though...lol

When I did salvia (15x), whoa, right after I exhaled I droped the bong, and when I walked all I heard was thump. thump, thump, in my brian. I had to lay down. then all these elves, or celtic looking gods started coming out of the walls. I felt like I was dieing, it was not pleasent. needless to say I am reluctant to do it again.

Forgot to mention the proper name for Salvia is Diviners sage. Its a derivitive of the mint plant. And has never been proven to have harmed anyone in its extremly long history of use.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Jan 16 2007, 05:06 PM