50 Names Of Marduk Necronomicon Spellbook, Comparison with Enuma Elish and powers Options Rating

If you want to argue about religion please do it somewhere else. I do not care what you believe. Nor should you care what I believe.


Good day.

Your theory fails a simple test of logic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Hi Endiku, Its not as easy as that. Let me explain in simple words though.. If i call Aranunna with a sumerian system of Magick, Aranunna will manifest as may be a sumerian figure. If i evoke him with a hindu way, he would appear in a hindu outfit. To tell you, the Gods and angels manifest according to what the recipients have tuned to. you have mono radio, the station might send in stereo, but you will still hear mono. ;-)



And previously as countries like india and sumeria were far apart and not realy connected, the People there had different traditions and customs, so the Gods would appear according to what is comfortable in the priests minds.



My Watcher can appear as a might 4 armed warrior with multiple weapons to someone whereas to me he can appear exactly at the same instant in a kool form.



Well i did not lie when i compared Ziku to Ganesha.. Another thing from experience is that I conjured my watcher using hte normal Necronomicon ways etc. But in my house as there are idols and pictures of Hindu Gods, my watcher once gave me a matra having AUM and a Hindu God name when i asked him to give me somethinh to help me astral project. I wont reveal the name but when the question was set to my watcher as who created him, he gave me the name of a Hindu God rather than giving the sumerian counter part...





And Finally if you take each God of each religion as distinct, then in most religion they have their Gods who created the Universe... But the universe we are in has been created only once.



And just to conclude.. I am called Mystick on Sacred magick.. At home i have a different name and some buddies call me by a different name as do the Gods call me by another...



Regards

Mystick

I am questioning the theory in general not your own personal beliefs.

Hi Endiku, Its not as easy as that. Let me explain in simple words though.. If i call Aranunna with a sumerian system of Magick, Aranunna will manifest as may be a sumerian figure. If i evoke him with a hindu way, he would appear in a hindu outfit. To tell you, the Gods and angels manifest according to what the recipients have tuned to. you have mono radio, the station might send in stereo, but you will still hear mono. ;-)
And previously as countries like india and sumeria were far apart and not realy connected, the People there had different traditions and customs, so the Gods would appear according to what is comfortable in the priests minds.
My Watcher can appear as a might 4 armed warrior with multiple weapons to someone whereas to me he can appear exactly at the same instant in a kool form.
Well i did not lie when i compared Ziku to Ganesha.. Another thing from experience is that I conjured my watcher using hte normal Necronomicon ways etc. But in my house as there are idols and pictures of Hindu Gods, my watcher once gave me a matra having AUM and a Hindu God name when i asked him to give me somethinh to help me astral project. I wont reveal the name but when the question was set to my watcher as who created him, he gave me the name of a Hindu God rather than giving the sumerian counter part...
And Finally if you take each God of each religion as distinct, then in most religion they have their Gods who created the Universe... But the universe we are in has been created only once.
And just to conclude.. I am called Mystick on Sacred magick.. At home i have a different name and some buddies call me by a different name as do the Gods call me by another...



Regards

Mystick

I understand what you are trying to say but still you did not answer my questions,as to why and how gods allowed change of names and entire religions.To the level of next religion being completely different than the one before.Maybe this discussion should be moved to another place.

Enkidu

It is not the purpose of this thread to debate religion. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the 50 names. Please start an "Debate religion thread" and discontinue here.

Enkidu,


The point Mystick was trying to make, is that all gods wear masks so that all people may connect with them. The gods don't 'allow' religions to be dractically changed or even comepletely replaced. It comes down to freewill. No god can force a human to believe in them. All they can do when it comes to belief, is try to convince people.
While the Gods remain fairly constant, we humans grow and change and evolve as civiizations fall and new ones replace them. So the gods roll with these changes and allow what is needed for religious belief to continue.
An example is ancient rome. They had their gods which they openly identified with the Greek pantheon. These gods were much different in name and appearance from those which the Gauls, Goths and Visigoths percieved. So when those peoples sacked Rome the gods as the Romans precieved them went with the culture. But those very gods survived with the Gauls,etc.... Just under a name and giuse which those cultures could accept.
Every group of people, and many individua people, are only capable of understanding the gods in their own way. The gods, we believe, are wise enough to wear the proper mask for their different worshippers. Just imagine a South American culture like the Olmecs trying to accept the Chinese Jade Emporer. A deity which looks, acts and sounds nothing like them. Humans need gods which personify their culture and represent them in a seemingly endless cosmos. They need a deity/ies that can carry their ideas and feelings to the universe outside those peoples local world.
And to see the true universality of the gods and their religions beneath the superficial layer, just look at the 'Flood' story. The Sumerians had it, the Chinese have it, the South American religions had it, the Judeo-Christian faiths haveit , and so on. This world and we as a race need many gods who wear many masks so that we all may find some higher path which we can believe in.
Peace.

I took a few pics of 28 candles used in 50 Names Candle Magick along with Bandars Agga Mass Ssaratu. The usual orbs of light appeared in the first two. These can be disregarded as light from the candles however the frequency of orbs of light in my Bandar pics makes it seem less of a coincidence.

In the third picture a face appears in blue light. The face has eyes nose and mouth. Angels and demons have facial and body features not of our own. In this picture the face looks kind of alien.

Bandar sure likes to pose for the camera! If you save the picture of the face so you can blow it up full size it really looks fantastic. Shrunk down it does not seem as lofty. Notice the face appears directly over the sacrifice bowl. Many of you have probably seen pictures in which he appears as different shapes in the fire in other threads.

These candles are all covered with prayers and symbols of the 50 names. And of course the symbol of Bandar. My angel who carries my prayers to the Gods.

I have more pictures in which the blue light shows up if anyone is interested. I just hate to post too many pics and eat up resource space.

Peace!

This post has been edited by smasher666: Sep 18 2006, 07:38 PM

I could clearly see Bandar as either the blue gas or an orb of light as I took pictures of the 50 names magick. He flew around and I had to chase him with the camera. Finally I asked him to please hold still for the camera and he obliged. 3 of these pics are the blue looking gas and one is a purple orb of light near the ground on the left side of the candle. This is all the pics I will post in this thread due to not wanting to eat up too much space but anyone interested can email me for more pics.

Peace!

This post has been edited by smasher666: Sep 18 2006, 07:44 PM

I see some kind of an alien face in one of the blue gas in the picture. It is great you share your experience with us Smasher.

Pure Natural Energy

We see faces in all of the pics here. They do not seem so astounding shrunk to forum size but we can still see faces on the forum in all of the blue gass looking pics. Look hard. LOL!

This post has been edited by smasher666: Sep 19 2006, 01:31 AM

Smasher you are right some of them are a little bit difficult to see but they are there. Just have to enlarge the pics to see them better.

Excellent discourse of the 50 names I must say! I have not called upon all the spirits--and I do not plan on it either. Some are left to certain matters, if in a pinch--I will call on them for the first time! Any way, I have found that I have ease calling certain spirits--like they want to caome and help me help myself Evolve.

Foremost is Aranunna--the Great Teacher! In the rite itself the magick is not--it is the span of the moon after ward that the lesson resides I have found. The lesson is not alays obvious--but w/ a bit of insight as to how these spirits work, one can see the lesson being imparted.

Marutukku is another spirit of great use and skill. He taught me the LBRP--which I feel is good for me to do pre-rite to get my bearings in the mode of Calling upon the other spirits. Marutukku is blunt as well--he will tell you how it is, whether you want to hear it or Not! For that, I respect him--for I am the same at times myself---possible influence of repeated callings on Marutukku.

Lugal-Anna and Lugal-Ugga are two spirits that help you in the method of magickal thought assimilation---to put it as best as I can. In other words , these two help thee move forward into transformation inot a mage from ordinary man(or woman, but not too often w/ these type of rites I have found). I tend to think these two are joksters as well--like to play around. To have a good sense of humor would serve thee well w/ these two. Aid in knowledge of astrology/divination can also be gleaned fron them.

50 names candle magick.

I say it and tap my sword on the candle with this spell written on a glass saint candle in black marker and the sign of Ziku all over it then light the candle.

Mighty Ziku!
Thank you for all the help with work.
You are totally awesome.
May Ziku grow in power!
May the wish of Ziku become reality!
Mighty BandarZikuAgaku!
May we become one and grow in power!
Zi Dingir Edunpanna Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Bandar Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Anna Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Kia Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Gibil Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Enki Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Anu Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Marduk Kanpa!
Gigimaganpa!

Geeg-geem-ahg-ahn-pah

I felt like adding this one:

LUGALANNA means "mighty man of the heavens"
LUGAL=mighty man
ANNA=the heavens

so any of the spirits names that begin w/ LUGAL--keep that translation in mind---

Hi ALL.
I wonder,wich Name I have to use to free friend from prison?

Perhaps Barashakushu the 4th name Worker of Miracles. Perhaps the 13th Tutu to help give peace. Maybe, even Malah the 29th Giver of Courage. Then there is the 46th Gibil helps you understand why you are the victim of your passions. But please be advised the names of Marduk should NEVER be used for a dark intent. These are the facets and powers of the Mighty Marduk. The names I gave you are mainly to help the imprisoned reflect on his/her life so that they can do their time and grow from the experience. If you chose to use them at all, remember Marduk indeed most Gods do not suffer fools. Now if this was all a joke be advised the Nec. should never be used blindly or half heartedly. It is a very powerful system of faith and magic. More ceremonial magicians and fools have met their end or gone insane using this system. Just my 2 cents. Magic is a serious affair.

Perhaps Barashakushu the 4th name Worker of Miracles. Perhaps the 13th Tutu to help give peace. Maybe, even Malah the 29th Giver of Courage. Then there is the 46th Gibil helps you understand why you are the victim of your passions. But please be advised the names of Marduk should NEVER be used for a dark intent. These are the facets and powers of the Mighty Marduk. The names I gave you are mainly to help the imprisoned reflect on his/her life so that they can do their time and grow from the experience. If you chose to use them at all, remember Marduk indeed most Gods do not suffer fools. Now if this was all a joke be advised the Nec. should never be used blindly or half heartedly. It is a very powerful system of faith and magic. More ceremonial magicians and fools have met their end or gone insane using this system. Just my 2 cents. Magic is a serious affair.

gmcbroom, Good Evening.
Thank you for advice.I asked Seriously and it isn't joke e.t.c
I Recpect Necronomicon and have my opinions in some things about this system too,But I No Doubt,that it is very Powerfull system.
Thank you Again.


P.S:What you mean by this- "remember Marduk indeed most Gods do not suffer fools",My english is a bit poor and say Concrete please.

MOW basically, the line about fools was just meant as a warning. Gods/Goddesses are divine beings of unfathomable power if you approach this sysytem as a joke then they may tak offense. The last thing you'd want is a pissed off God. That's all. Think this through carefully. Perhaps Ashnook, Smasher, or one of the others here could better guide you. Be safe.

MOW basically, the line about fools was just meant as a warning. Gods/Goddesses are divine beings of unfathomable power if you approach this sysytem as a joke then they may tak offense. The last thing you'd want is a pissed off God. That's all. Think this through carefully. Perhaps Ashnook, Smasher, or one of the others here could better guide you. Be safe.

I understand.But that line isn't for me.I don't take Magick as a joke or any of Its Rituals.Myself I am Practicing 5-6 years and last time I experimenting with Ceremonial Magick System.Especially with Goetia.So I can say,that I am not Begginer.Anyway Magick isn't Joke for me.
That's all.
Regards.

That's good.

Is there any real reason anyone would use the Nec spellbook instead of the Nec itself?
I took a gander at it in the bookstore, and it just seemed like sort of a fast-food method to what's in the Nec, and the result being that the rituals and such wouldn't be as powerful, or the methods as acceptable to Nec deities and entities.

It really is just a Necronomicon for dummies--me being one of them dummies (LOL). But it is a very good idea to own the Actual Necronomicon if one is to use the spellbook. there are many other related things that can aid one in their examination/experimentation w/ the Necro. So in summary---I agree totally w/ u Dark goddess--apprentice of Erishkigal.

Greetings Dark Goddess,

The spell book gives much insight into the 50 names. ALso it gives a good method of summoning them. It is well worth the dollar. I believe an online version is on this forum somewhere. It is also in the Disciples Of Enki files section.

Peace

I have a few thoughts concerning the 50 names of MARDUK. Number one--each spirit seems to be linked to the other I have noticed. Also the more u call upon a certain spirit the easier it is to call them. Like for instance, I can call ARANUNNA very easily w/o even using his seal or doing the ritual at this point--he has learned my vibration rate and I have learned his. Or in normal terms we know one another pretty well now. Due to me knowing him well that energy exerted by calling him does flow thru all 50 names in a subtle way I believe. So when I call a name I never have called (like IRKINGU or KINMA) like I did a few nites ago--these spirits seemed to have known me already. Not in a personal way like ARANUNNA, but like in a "we know about u dude" type of way (Im sure they use the word DUDE all the time--LOL!).

This is why I tell all beginners to call certain names and to get to know them by constant callings. Each time u call name A the other 49 names learn ur aura and essence more clearly. So if u spend one whole moon calling ARANUNNA each nite--when u go to call say MARUTUKKU it will be easy--well calling him is easy anyways, he seems to want to help I have noticed. OK, how about LUGALANNA--this spirit will know ur aura and vibration rates and heed ur calling easier. Plus u will be in good terms w/ the spirit already as he will have seen and felt ur vibes or aura already.

These are just some of my findings over time...if anyone cares to comment--please do! I am always ready for better more efficient methods and techniques....

I have a few thoughts concerning the 50 names of MARDUK. Number one--each spirit seems to be linked to the other I have noticed. Also the more u call upon a certain spirit the easier it is to call them. Like for instance, I can call ARANUNNA very easily w/o even using his seal or doing the ritual at this point--he has learned my vibration rate and I have learned his. Or in normal terms we know one another pretty well now. Due to me knowing him well that energy exerted by calling him does flow thru all 50 names in a subtle way I believe. So when I call a name I never have called (like IRKINGU or KINMA) like I did a few nites ago--these spirits seemed to have known me already. Not in a personal way like ARANUNNA, but like in a "we know about u dude" type of way (Im sure they use the word DUDE all the time--LOL!).

This is why I tell all beginners to call certain names and to get to know them by constant callings. Each time u call name A the other 49 names learn ur aura and essence more clearly. So if u spend one whole moon calling ARANUNNA each nite--when u go to call say MARUTUKKU it will be easy--well calling him is easy anyways, he seems to want to help I have noticed. OK, how about LUGALANNA--this spirit will know ur aura and vibration rates and heed ur calling easier. Plus u will be in good terms w/ the spirit already as he will have seen and felt ur vibes or aura already.

These are just some of my findings over time...if anyone cares to comment--please do! I am always ready for better more efficient methods and techniques....

interesting to find using this method elimates the "bedazzled" effect?

The "bedazzled" effect is due to unfocused will--or more accuratly a clouded desired outcome. These spirits can read ur deepest thoughts and wills--so if ur desired end is mundane (and we all know when it is--admit it or not!) these spirits do tend to mess w/ us for our misuse of their powers. Case in point:

In 1999 I was very short on money. I wanted money to support my smoking habit (not just cigs) and all around party habits as well. So I called ZIKU for assistance. The very next day in the mail came a credit card ready for use, all I had to do was activate it! A nice $800 credit line for a 20 year old to play w/--awesome---so I thought then. I used that card (as well as others) for some of the stupidest things. I wasted my blessing is what I am saying. Now I currently still owe alot of $$ from those thoughtless days. So I got what I wanted but my intentions were far from noble or pure and now I am paying (LITERALLY!!!) for it.

SO DON"T ASK THESE SPIRITS TO DO STUPID THINGS FOR YOU--- IT WILL BACKFIRE!!!

That is my opinion on this matter....

The "bedazzled" effect is due to unfocused will--or more accuratly a clouded desired outcome. These spirits can read ur deepest thoughts and wills--so if ur desired end is mundane (and we all know when it is--admit it or not!) these spirits do tend to mess w/ us for our misuse of their powers. Case in point:

In 1999 I was very short on money. I wanted money to support my smoking habit (not just cigs) and all around party habits as well. So I called ZIKU for assistance. The very next day in the mail came a credit card ready for use, all I had to do was activate it! A nice $800 credit line for a 20 year old to play w/--awesome---so I thought then. I used that card (as well as others) for some of the stupidest things. I wasted my blessing is what I am saying. Now I currently still owe alot of $$ from those thoughtless days. So I got what I wanted but my intentions were far from noble or pure and now I am paying (LITERALLY!!!) for it.

SO DON"T ASK THESE SPIRITS TO DO STUPID THINGS FOR YOU--- IT WILL BACKFIRE!!!

That is my opinion on this matter....

lol still paying on a 800$ credit line, damn "bedazzled" effect! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

My point was I misused the aid of the spirit and now I am literally still paying for it. The same goes for all of the 50 names--when u use them for a noble or Evolutionary purpose the "bedazzled" effect isnt there. this is just what I have noticed in my experiments.

Laterz....

PS--Just 30 mins ago I drew ZIKU's seal on a tub of coins I am accumulating--I hope this is a noble purpose--using ZIKU as my accountant--LOL

Laterz...for real now!

Brother Eabatu makes a very pertinent point here. These spirits will aid you so long as you treat them with respect and try not to treat them like pimps.
These are extremely ancient and extremely powerful spirits. If you dissrespect them, they will bitch slap your ass back to the Medieval

Greetings Ses Eabatu,

Being a Sub contractor I know Ziku well.

Here is a little prayer I made for him long ago.

Mighty Ziku!
Thank you for all the help with work.
You are totally awesome.
May Ziku grow in power!
May the wish of Ziku become reality!
Mighty BandarZikuAgaku!
May we become one and grow in power!
Zi Dingir Edunpanna Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Bandar Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Anna Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Kia Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Gibil Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Enki Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Anu Kanpa!
Zi Dingir Marduk Kanpa!
Gigimaganpa!

Geeg-geem-ahg-ahn-pah

I bet ZIKU is a beloved spirit in ur household then. I have yet to make a solid full scale invocation of any of the 50 names--but at times when u say "please hear this calling" I say alot more than that--I give a detailed description of my purpose of summoning them there. When I get one written up like Edunpanna's above I will be sure to share w/ you all......til then............


Laterz.........

This post has been edited by Eabatu: Dec 25 2006, 10:42 PM