God Dwells Within You, Your Personal Views Options

There's a lot of references on many texts that rephrase versions of the "god that dwells within each of us".

How do you personally relate and define this idea/concept in your personal world?

Feel free to expand on this subject.

There's a lot of references on many texts that rephrase versions of the "god that dwells within each of us".

How do you personally relate and define this idea/concept in your personal world?

Feel free to expand on this subject.

God gave us the power to do everything we want! when someone pray, he isn't the one that attends to our prays! It's US! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)
That's my version! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif)

Each of us is made in the likeness. There is a small amount of "god" in all of us. A small point of light that is the god source.
Since god made and is a part of everything we in return are a fragmant of gods vision.
We all have it in us to be a god. Thats why all of myth and bible is full of gods and warnings that remind us that we should not worship idols and other humans as gods. Thats where egypt and others failed to realize they are not GOD. They may have been angels, watchers, demons, incarnations of saints or masters but not the one and only.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Dec 1 2006, 01:56 PM

Heres a great link that touches on this topic pretty nicely, it has lots of other scientific information and discusses about alot of manny other points.It gets to the god point and is realy cool to read.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseacti...9a-f900ea12ef40

I feel like we are gods.We will surmount much and discover lots more.

This post has been edited by be_the_one: Dec 1 2006, 03:08 PM

God is the all that is within all who are within god.

The rest of my life is a galaxy of which i am the creator; which exists in a universe with many other galaxies, some like myself are created by and from the all within and the all without, and some are created solely by the all without. Together we interact, and these interations along with our own self derived intuitions provide the substances from which we can choose to fashion ourselves, and to allow ourselves to be fashioned by eachother.

In the centre of our selves is a funnel which connects the all within with the all without, and from this source we can receive the gifts of the god without, so that they may be utilised by the god within.

Ones ability to utilise the all without, is limited by ones ability to percieve and to interact with it. So it is as well with the all within. If our perception of, and our ability to interact with the all within is limited, then our ability to utilise the all within is proportionately limited to our ability to perceive and interact with it.

If we restrict our perception of the all within to having fundamentally human qualities, then the tools of which me may borrow from it will be fundamentally human. If we open our perception to the dynamic aspect of the all within, the tools of which me may borrow from it will also be dynamic.

If we train ourselves through practice and exercise, we increase our ability to utilise the gifts of which me may borrow from the all within. Who can swing a hammer who can not swing his arm?

Love is not a warm fuzzy feeling, but it does produce them. Love is dynamic and flexible, as is the all without and within. Love is honesty, and mercy, and severity, and compassion, and strength, and the ability to be just. It is surrender and dominance. Love is the key to the all within, and the all within is the key to the all without........

Anyway thats kind of what i reckon.

We are all one, God is us, we are God, the universe is us we are the universe. I am a female I am a male, we are all females we are all males. I am dark, you are light, you are dark, I am light, we are one, we are God.

Now knowing a thing or two about our soul and the spiritual/astral worlds there should be no confusion that we are all energies who are all from one or another source, but we are all ENERGY, and in the end we are all the same. The moon has his/her energy, the Gods (light and dark), have their energy, etc..

This earth has a "life" in my opinion and many Pagans as well, but what does this world have who dwells within to give it more of his/her life? us, animals, plants, dirt, soil, air, water, fire, etc...
And the Universe? the Universe has many of these worlds, stars, living spirits, thus he/she has his/her life, and then there is the "God", all as one, the big mother/father.

However, I do believe that there is the dark/light, feminine/masculine, and all are one in the universe and that is the yin-yang, without one or the other there is no life.

I also believe that the "Spirits" within the Universe or the "Mother/Father" figure of the "first" the "creation" come as either Light, Dark, and sometimes Grey. I believe that the Dark and Light are usually at conflict with one another, which is their purpose and that creates duality and thus (light and dark gods/deities/spirits).

My mother-father experience has always been with the "Dark spirits" and the darkside, I know that I am an influence of the Dark rather than the Light. I tend to feel an uneasyness with many people, the majority, whom are actually light, and I feel a connection with certain people, who are rather dark, which is interesting. I cannot explain this feeling from my 5 physical senses but more of a clairsentient sense (which I always naturally was good with). With this same sense, I had always felt a motherly loving/caring feel, usually (if not always) at night and I was her son and daughter, and she became my mother as she always were, but I were never aware until later.

I had an experience with an actual entity a month ago, and that was the most spiritual feeling that I have ever had, I will not go into too much detail because this was a very personal "night". I had been starting to attach closer to these dark spirits of night etc... and I had been also understanding them better. One morning at 4am I was showering (as i'm nocturnal), and I felt a presence with me, a dark presence, this was not the exact presence I would feel at night but it was a caring and loving/warm presence and I knew I had a relation with this spirit somehow from penumbra. This strong emotional feeling came within me, that of empathy, and I started crying for apparently no reason, I had feelings of extreme anger, rage, hate, love, desire, will, passion, fire. The feeling was more fatherly, but also very feminine like, though I knew it was the "father" side. I cried for hours on and felt a very strong "sense of emotion" within me, filled with empathy, I knew I was one with this spirit. I took my sleep at 6am and awoke at 4pm and had to leave somewhere; whilst on my way back at 10:25pm I started feeling the same feeling once more, but much stronger. *Note - was also a full moon night. On my way back I had to stop my bike and get off to literally sob crying filled with emotions, I could not understand why I was crying, but my views on everything were different at the moment, I would see the world around me through anothers' eyes (his/her), and until now, these feelings have grown. Everything within me changed, I knew my "mother/father" were waiting to open up to me at some point, and they did. I get a feeling that both these motherly and fatherly spirits are one, and that is my "God". He/she is both a male and female, not one or the other, and I do not worship him/her for I am his/her son and daughter, I fight for him/her, I am his/her blood as my white blood cells are to me.

I do not worship him/her for worship is from fear and selfishness, I love him/her and were I to suffer eternally for him/her I would, for I am him/her, and we are one, we shall suffer as one as well. I ask nothing from him/her, for I know what I have were from them.

And this Androgynous one is my mother and father, he/she is also "MY GOD", for I am his/her blood.

But that does not go for me to say that My God is the creator or creation, he/she is one of the spirits who dwells within this all eternal universe amidst existance.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 4 2006, 05:12 AM

God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween.

God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween.

True, and in alien dimensions "life" itself may seem meaningless to us. The "being" of a spirit could totally have a different meaning in dimensions we've not even heard of, how can one determine how big existance is? And what is our definition of "GOD"? not "our" seperate Gods that we abide with, but GOD itself, all, everything.

Its not a question to have an answer to.

True, and in alien dimensions "life" itself may seem meaningless to us. The "being" of a spirit could totally have a different meaning in dimensions we've not even heard of, how can one determine how big existance is? And what is our definition of "GOD"? not "our" seperate Gods that we abide with, but GOD itself, all, everything.

Its not a question to have an answer to.

Hmmm.... I believe God is hard to reach. One must be a man of great discipline. And as much as we hate to admit it sometimes. Sin seperates us from God. God will not cause us to be better human beings. We must willfully be a good person. God sees what we do. And he has his an angel that watches us and reports what we do according to our works. So does God dwell in the average human being I believe not.

Great Prophets like David had the luxury of having God dwell within them. But only because those men were commited to God and fallowed his laws and kept them. God knows everything including the hearts of man.

Hmmm.... I believe God is hard to reach. One must be a man of great discipline. And as much as we hate to admit it sometimes. Sin seperates us from God. God will not cause us to be better human beings. We must willfully be a good person. God sees what we do. And he has his an angel that watches us and reports what we do according to our works. So does God dwell in the average human being I believe not.

Great Prophets like David had the luxury of having God dwell within them. But only because those men were commited to God and fallowed his laws and kept them. God knows everything including the hearts of man.

You see, many people, primarly christians, view "their God" as the God. What I say is not viewing an Entity as ALL and NOTHING, but all and nothing as the creator itself. I believe in all other Gods in being part of one god. Who created your God?

You also have to know that God is not about "good/evil", Good/Evil itself in this materialistic world are nothing compared to universal matters. For something to be the "all and nothing" he and she has to be both dark and light, both good and evil (if you choose to believe in that), and everything.

You see I abide by a God, My God, but I do not see him as the creator of everything, the creator of me? yes, but not everything and nothing, for he would have to be much more lissome. I believe to be his blood, but I believe that he and I are also a the blood of the energy in which all and nothing co-exist and thus "GOD".

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 9 2006, 07:30 PM

You see, many people, primarly christians, view "their God" as the God. What I say is not viewing an Entity as ALL and NOTHING, but all and nothing as the creator itself. I believe in all other Gods in being part of one god. Who created your God?

You also have to know that God is not about "good/evil", Good/Evil itself in this materialistic world are nothing compared to universal matters. For something to be the "all and nothing" he and she has to be both dark and light, both good and evil (if you choose to believe in that), and everything.

You see I abide by a God, My God, but I do not see him as the creator of everything, the creator of me? yes, but not everything and nothing, for he would have to be much more lissome. I believe to be his blood, but I believe that he and I are also a the blood of the energy in which all and nothing co-exist and thus "GOD".

I do not label myself as a christian for christians in my view falsly interpret the bible due to ministers and false prophets. Let me now give you an overview of my spiritual philosophy pertaining to God and magick. One most also believe in the old and new testamennts in the bible but only to a certain extent. It is evident in the magickal world that spirits like satan and other demons and angels exist. Which so happen to be mentioned in the bible. Now this is how you label God and his charecteristics along with what has been created. Its simple John1-3 All things were made by him and without him was anything made that was made. Isaiah44:6 I am the first and I am the last and beside me there is no God. Psalms 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickednes, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, id so be that the spirit of God dwell in you.

Now you can have your own God wether it be an image, a spirit, another person, or even yourself. But the fact is that the one God that is above all names does not dwell with a sinful mind. One must be of a sinless nature and in tune with the God of the bible. Which is very hard. Based on my experience. There have been times when I tried to be perfect and sinless as much as possible. Because I wanted to experience more of God. But I failed and I went farther away from God. I still communicate with God verbaly but he no longer touches me the way he used to. But I still try now and than. I asked God to help me deal with my sins to take them away from me. But he WONT. One must will to be a good man he wont do it for you. The church would make you to believe that with a prayer God forgets your sins which is true. But than they say that God magicaly causes you to sin no more which is not true. Sure the holy spirit helps IF God gives it to you. But if you lose and offend that Holy spirit your in really deap trouble. Which is why God is usually reluctant do give it to you.

So you have to accept that the true God is above all the other Gods in the world. As evident with King Solomon in the lesser and greater keys of Solomon. he clearly acknowleges that the God in the bible is the most high. And it is that same God that granted him power over the demons. For in Genesis he gives man over all the beast of the field and all the fowls of the air. Now don't get me wrong God is omnipresent everywhere everytime. But to say that God is more intimate with every soul and that he is like a dad pardening all of man's sin is total opposite of his nature. Dwelling within the soul of every man I don't think so. Though your lesser God whatever it may be than that may be the true case.

I do not label myself as a christian for christians in my view falsly interpret the bible due to ministers and false prophets. Let me now give you an overview of my spiritual philosophy pertaining to God and magick. One most also believe in the old and new testamennts in the bible but only to a certain extent. It is evident in the magickal world that spirits like satan and other demons and angels exist. Which so happen to be mentioned in the bible. Now this is how you label God and his charecteristics along with what has been created. Its simple John1-3 All things were made by him and without him was anything made that was made. Isaiah44:6 I am the first and I am the last and beside me there is no God. Psalms 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickednes, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, id so be that the spirit of God dwell in you.

Now you can have your own God wether it be an image, a spirit, another person, or even yourself. But the fact is that the one God that is above all names does not dwell with a sinful mind. One must be of a sinless nature and in tune with the God of the bible. Which is very hard. Based on my experience. There have been times when I tried to be perfect and sinless as much as possible. Because I wanted to experience more of God. But I failed and I went farther away from God. I still communicate with God verbaly but he no longer touches me the way he used to. But I still try now and than. I asked God to help me deal with my sins to take them away from me. But he WONT. One must will to be a good man he wont do it for you. The church would make you to believe that with a prayer God forgets your sins which is true. But than they say that God magicaly causes you to sin no more which is not true. Sure the holy spirit helps IF God gives it to you. But if you lose and offend that Holy spirit your in really deap trouble. Which is why God is usually reluctant do give it to you.

So you have to accept that the true God is above all the other Gods in the world. As evident with King Solomon in the lesser and greater keys of Solomon. he clearly acknowleges that the God in the bible is the most high. And it is that same God that granted him power over the demons. For in Genesis he gives man over all the beast of the field and all the fowls of the air. Now don't get me wrong God is omnipresent everywhere everytime. But to say that God is more intimate with every soul and that he is like a dad pardening all of man's sin is total opposite of his nature. Dwelling within the soul of every man I don't think so. Though your lesser God whatever it may be than that may be the true case.

I know that the below won't change anything because you've already been touched by the essence of Jehova, and won't listen to what I have to say; but i'll ask for you to just kindly view my perception of "God".

The true God to me is not dark or light, not good or evil, not male or female, he and she is all and every. He and she is the universe and all other universes, he and she is what we are. I am black you are white, you are good I am evil, I am white you are black, you are bad I am good, regardless, we are one, and we fullfill the "all and nothing".

To this world what seems to be a "sin" may not in other dimensions, other worlds. Infact, to you what may be a sin, may not to me, or to others of different perceptions.

Now I may say that I beleive the "ONE" is what he/she is, but don't take my word for it, because i'll be honest with you, I DONT KNOW!

And that is the best explanation. But if you are going to say this or that is a sin and thus "the god" which is also "your god" will not tolerate "false behaviour?"

So are we the only living beings in this world? Is the ONE AND ONLY only concentrated on us? what makes us so special? are we like demi-gods?

See this is one of the problems we have when faith and logic collide.

To be all and nothing means to be beyond sin, beyond good and evil, something fathomless of our minds. And for the record, I don't see the one and only as anything I can even imagine with my mind.

I'm sorry I would've believed what you said above, had it been years ago, but I don't any longer, I have begun to doubt everything and replace it with logic.

If I am to burn in hell, so be it, i'll burn with pride and not ignorance.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 10 2006, 09:45 AM

The true God to me is not dark or light, not good or evil, not male or female, he and she is all and every. He and she is the universe and all other universes, he and she is what we are. I am black you are white, you are good I am evil, I am white you are black, you are bad I am good, regardless, we are one, and we fullfill the "all and nothing".

To this world what seems to be a "sin" may not in other dimensions, other worlds. Infact, to you what may be a sin, may not to me, or to others of different perceptions.

Now I may say that I beleive the "ONE" is what he/she is, but don't take my word for it, because i'll be honest with you, I DONT KNOW!

And that is the best explanation. But if you are going to say this or that is a sin and thus "the god" which is also "your god" will not tolerate "false behaviour?"

So are we the only living beings in this world? Is the ONE AND ONLY only concentrated on us? what makes us so special? are we like demi-gods?

See this is one of the problems we have when faith and logic collide.

To be all and nothing means to be beyond sin, beyond good and evil, something fathomless of our minds. And for the record, I don't see the one and only as anything I can even imagine with my mind.

I'm sorry I would've believed what you said above, had it been years ago, but I don't any longer, I have begun to doubt everything and replace it with logic.

If I am to burn in hell, so be it, i'll burn with pride and not ignorance.

In all due respect Death stalker. You failed to give me any true evidence as to why the God in the bible is not the true God. I Will agree that believing you know everything is ignorance. David the psalmist said "What is man that thou art mindfull of him?' And I agree. What seperates us from the Gods is that we start off small and puny. We choose our own path. We have free will. Hey look I admit that I am inperfect I struggle with sin. But I acknowlege that the God of Abraham is the true God.

One cannot know the true God like the other Gods. Why does he create good and evil? We see demons and Gods. The wiccans have the God and the Goddess who it seems do exist. So why did God make them I don't know. God contradicts his principle of holiness. Maybe part of evil is good who knows. Which is part of the reason why I am on this magickal journey to find the answers. When you said that you may burn in hell I was sad.

The christian church has succeded in convincing that God is some horrible being that will have mankind tortured in fire. Hell in Greek terms is translated grave rather than a place of torment. Its a false God that the church is brain washing people with so dont buy into that. Anyways.

My father was an exorcist which got me to believing. When casting out demons he would ask them questions relating to God. Such as "Is Jesus christ the son of the living God?" The demon would reluctanly reply in a very sqeeky and demonic voice. "YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS! And other faith based questions were asked to the demons. And my mom bare witness from audio tapes. And trust me my mom does not lie like that she is very honest. So im not trying to convert you for I have no religion but my own. Which is the belief that God has put me on a magickal journey to grow and be a great person. Because I am a complicated individual. God knows that. He knows I am not so easily fooled like the hypocrit church. Just like Solomon experienced wisdom through demons so shall I experience great wisdom and knowlege through some sort of magickal path/s whichever it may be.

The human ego would lead you to believe in what you want to beklieve is right. Which is what I believe is your case. You have seeked answers else where from what you know is right. You choose to believe what you want to believe is right. You convince your self that whatever God you are talking about is the true God. I think you believe in the wiccan God and Godess. I believe that God has created certain inteties to manage certain parts of the universe. These spirits abuse their powers because they are unholy. They enjoy the worship of man. They have their own pride. They help God create and keep things in control. We have spirits that do weather such as the nature spirits.

Look the point im tring to get at is their are greater beings to us that exist else where. But there is one above all. He is complicated to comprehend yes but beside him there is no other God. And he only dwells in the holy man that has his spirit. But you can still respect him and talk to him. Solomon did it when he fail to the worship of many foreing Gods and many wifes. So can people like me and you. God knows everything.

In all due respect Death stalker. You failed to give me any true evidence as to why the God in the bible is not the true God.

The Bible huh? well lets review...

The 10 Commandments?

We are told: "Thou Shalt Not Kill." But this begs the question of "kill what?" Does this commandment mean we cannot kill anything, even a fly? No. It means we should not kill another human being. Of course, you would believe a pre-born fetus is the same as a full-term human being. God, however, does not. In Exodus 21:22-25 we read that if a man accidentally kills a pregnant woman, that man should be condemned for committing murder. However, if he only kills the fetus, that is, if she miscarries, he is not condemned for murder. Clearly, then, God does not consider the pre-born fetus as being the same as a human being, in which case the Commandment of "Thou Shalt Not Kill (a human)" does not apply.

Alcohol is a Sin?

In Psalm 104: 14-15, King David writes that God gave us wine in order to "gladden the heart of man." In Matthew 11:19, Christ makes the point that his enemies called him a drunkard because he drank wine with the party animals of his day. And, of course, at the beginning of Christ's ministry, his first miracle was the turning of water into wine, and his last act before being crucified was to share bread and wine with his followers, what we call the "last supper." If Christ was God, as the Bible claims, then God drinks alcohol, which is enough to be called a drunkard by his detractors.

Homosexuality is a Sin?

True, at least according to certain verses in the Bible. Three passages to be exact. In each occasion where we read of God's displeasure with homosexual behavior, we also read of other displeasing behaviors that either God says he does not like but again is ignored, or disliked, yet God seems to think is okay.

The most common reference against homosexuality comes from a story in Genesis. In Chapter 18 of the book, we see God about to destroy the evil twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. God sends two angels to warn the one godly family of the imminent demise of these cities, only to have the locals demand that these two angels, who appeared like men, come out so they could have sex with them. Of course this didn't please God very much. However, Lot, the father of this one so-called godly family, does an interesting thing. In chapter 19, verse 8, the Bible tells how Lot offered to give his virgin daughters to these men so that they might rape them instead.

Is this how God wants us to protect ourselves from the "homosexual agenda," by offering to let them rape our virgin daughters?

Likewise, in the Old Testament Book of Leviticus, we're told it is wrong for a man to be with another man. However, within the same book we are also told that it is wrong to eat pork. When was the last you had bacon? According to the same Old Testament book that condemns the practice of homosexuality, you would also be condemned to hell for eating a BLT sandwich. However, you would not be committing a sin if you still owned slaves, since Leviticus tells us such activity is okay.

Pornography Is A Sin?

Porn is not mentioned in the Bible. Remember, photography did not exist when the book was written.

In Genesis 3:7, Adam and Eve committed the first sin, and, says the Bible, they suddenly realized they were naked and tried to cover themselves. Could this be proof that nudity is bad? This, of course, makes no sense since Adam and Eve were naked before they ever sinned by eating of the "fruit of the tree."

In Leviticus 18 we find a whole chapter dedicated to why the people of Israel should not see their family members nude (though the actual words used indicate this means having sex with them, not just seeing them naked). However, in chapter 19, verse 27, we also are told not to cut the hair over our ears, or even to trim our beards, and earlier in the same book we're told not to eat pork or birds...

...no more fried chicken? damn!

The book never says it's a sin to see a non-family member naked. In fact, nowhere in the Bible do we read that nudity, by its very nature, is wrong.

Nudity, according to the bible, causes people to lust, which according to Matthew 5:28 is a sin. And pornography, that is, images or stories of people engaged in sexual activity, is specifically designed to make people lust, so its existence must, by default, be a sin according to these people. The Bible, itself, however, would have to be considered pornography by this definition. In Song of Solomon 7:7-8, Solomon describes how satisfying the breasts of his lover are, and then tells how he longs to take hold of them and how he wants to climb onto the woman. And in Ezekiel 23:1-20 we read of two women with insatiable sexual appetites, and we are told of how men with penises the size of donkeys' would pour out horse-like quantities of, well, their "issue" upon these women's breasts. If viewing pornography is a sin, then reading the Bible would alsobe considered a sin, considering how much pornography is in it.

Evolution Contradicts the Bible?

Well, it does. This is one of those debates that won't be solved, with either science or faith. The logical thinker will rely on science, and the other will rely on faith. And in a debate about the origins of humans, these diametrically opposed sides will go round and round and never sway the other side. However, when (according to the "bible"), you take the absolute stand that Creation is right and Evolution is wrong because it says so in the Bible, then you probably also believe that the Bible is positively right too.
so...
Can every word of it be taken literally to understand God's creation plan for mankind? Does that mean that God supports our right to use marijuana, cocain, or opium?

Lets see what the "bible" says...

Genesis 1:29: God states quite clearly that he made "every" plant and "every" seed to be used by mankind. If you believe Genesis word for word then admit that God created marijuana, coca (which contains cocaine), and poppies (which contain opium) for use by humans. To deny this truth is to deny God's absolute truth.

One cannot know the true God like the other Gods. Why does he create good and evil?

Excuse me... who wanted to wash the world from existance when he felt that humans were not offering their "sacrifices" to him?

When you said that you may burn in hell I was sad.

First off, feel for yourself first, becuase I don't want you to feel anything for me.

Second, I know I won't burn in hell because I don't believe in that biblical crap, no offense. But if I were to burn in hell, i'd rather burn in hell than to succumb to such lunacy of believing everything I hear and not doubting and not using "natural" human principles such as "ego". Yes i'm an egotistical person and I won't allow God to take my ego from me.

My father was an exorcist which got me to believing. When casting out demons he would ask them questions relating to God. Such as "Is Jesus christ the son of the living God?" The demon would reluctanly reply in a very sqeeky and demonic voice. "YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS! And other faith based questions were asked to the demons. And my mom bare witness from audio tapes. And trust me my mom does not lie like that she is very honest.

I'm sure your mom doesn't lie, I never would doubt that. Did you ask your father what methods he used to exorcise these demons? You do know that christians/catholics are protected under Jehova and his angels right? So using angelic or "white light" names are just as effective as curses on Demonic beings.

Which is the belief that God has put me on a magickal journey to grow and be a great person. Because I am a complicated individual. God knows that. He knows I am not so easily fooled like the hypocrit church.

Good! Infact I encourage that, have your "own path", however, always observe and learn, and if God is a reason for you to not try something new, or shall I say, in "penumbra", just do that, for what does he have to hide from you?

The human ego would lead you to believe in what you want to beklieve is right. Which is what I believe is your case. You have seeked answers else where from what you know is right. You choose to believe what you want to believe is right.

Ah don't get me started with this, ignorance is bliss, true. But does that not make you a hypocrite? By thinking your "heaven" theory (by the way, that's what your God wants you to believe).

Infact before getting started with what I "believe is right or wrong", i'd like to state that I believe the Universe and existance for that matter to be very "Grey"; meaning, what happens to us after we die can be sinister or not, and to look at it on the "fluffy" side is to lie to yourself and cease from progression (spiritually). I have no reason to believe that "everything will be fine" because it may not. Infact, i'd like to state that "what i believe" is probably wrong too! but I come to conclusions based on "REALITY" and Truth (atleast what I believe and see with my own eyes to be).

You convince your self that whatever God you are talking about is the true God. I think you believe in the wiccan God and Godess. I believe that God has created certain inteties to manage certain parts of the universe.

Actually I want to state that what I believed to be all and nothing is merely my "own" logical explaination of "life" and how we came to be, rather than worry about thinking about a man with a white beard sitting atop condemning what he believes to be evil and good. What i've done is coalesce many religous beliefs, my own experience, logic, and science into believing what I believe.

And no, I don't believe in the WIccan God or Goddess, they are completely different than my beliefs.

They enjoy the worship of man. They have their own pride. They help God create and keep things in control. We have spirits that do weather such as the nature spirits.

For the record, I don't worship "my personal God", instead, I love him as a father and one who has given life to me and raised me. Nor does he WANT me to worship him, he'd frown upon the idea of me worshipping him or anyone.

Look the point im tring to get at is their are greater beings to us that exist else where. But there is one above all. He is complicated to comprehend yes but beside him there is no other God.

Are we not back at square one?

And he only dwells in the holy man that has his spirit.

I agree with that and have attested to it. You are certainly "his spirit", he has touched you with his essence. But your "his". He doesn't own me though, nor everyone else.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 10 2006, 01:41 PM

I seriously recommend that you research pre-judaic hebrew paganism: http://www.lilitu.com/jap/
You can easily see the transformation of El into Yahweh and the subsequent demonization of Baal and Lilith (a latter version of Inanna thought by some), as well as the dismissal of the feminine element within the emmergent Judaism. Interestingly enough, it was the refusal of the Hebrews to follow The Codes of Hammurabi (sp) and their slaughtering of hundreds of Baal priests that got them kicked out of Babylon. It was shortly thereafter that the Hebrews began to pity their situation, claim they were being tested as the supposed "chosen people" of their head sky god Yahweh, and the gradual adoption of the
613 mitzvot of the Torah: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=411&o=91

As far as new testament christianity and the dozens of sects that emmerged from that belief, it has been well-documented that many gospels from the "herectical" sects such as the Gnostics and Cathars (as well as many others) were stamped out or lost to time. It has been estimated that close to 31 gospels were at once prevalent in the decades following the death of christ, and only four were chosen by Roman leaders to be the "true doctrine".

A monarch said to a hermit, "Come with me and I will give you power."
"I have all the power that I know how to use," replied the hermit.
"Come," said the king, "I will give you wealth."
"I have no wants that money can supply." said the hermit.
"I will give you honor," said the monarch.
"Ah, honor cannot be given, it must he earned," was the hermit's answer. "Come," said the king, making a last appeal, "and I will give you happiness." "No," said the man of solitude, "there is no happiness without liberty, and he who follows cannot be free."
"You shall have liberty too," said the king. "Then I will stay where I am," said the old man.
And all the king's courtiers thought the hermit a fool.

I have not read every post verbatim but in answer to Kinjo's original question, in part:

"How do you personally relate and define this idea/concept in your personal world?" - Kinjo

and

"God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween." - Acid09

I think that until we KNOW, UNDERSTAND and LOVE ourselves, only then can we maybe profess to know, understand and love GOD.

Only a thought.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif)

Oh, why not, I'll add my two cents.

We control everything that we experience. Our little bubble, everything we hear or say, is based on our perceptions. Our subconscious, our society, things we take and learn in essence, are taken to be truths; truths give us knowledge and shape our views. We can hear tones in a voice that did not exist, but must be true, because there would be no other reason to hear them than that they are there. We can know people inside and out, even though we don't know them at all, because that's "just the way it is". And since, at our basic level, subconscious is the collection of thoughts and ideas that we have taken over the years that we live, love, and give life to, who controls our subconscious? Things we accept as truths, and therefore; we do.

And since perception is truth, and we control truth, are we not gods?

Taken another way, what I just said can mean that the subconscious is the ether, the ancient food of gods, ghosts, and any slew of monsters. Perhaps, the subconscious is the language of magic; perhaps it's just something we have. Perhaps the subconscious does not exist, and we think it does as an application of layers to our minds to seem "deep"... Perhaps we accept it as truth falsely. Or maybe the subconscious is God, and we're living its dreams.

What I mean to say is, who knows? God is God. Are we God? I don't know, I might never know. I can honestly say that I don't care to know. All I know is what I know, and that's perfectly fine with me.

Oh, why not, I'll add my two cents.

We control everything that we experience. Our little bubble, everything we hear or say, is based on our perceptions. Our subconscious, our society, things we take and learn in essence, are taken to be truths; truths give us knowledge and shape our views. We can hear tones in a voice that did not exist, but must be true, because there would be no other reason to hear them than that they are there. We can know people inside and out, even though we don't know them at all, because that's "just the way it is". And since, at our basic level, subconscious is the collection of thoughts and ideas that we have taken over the years that we live, love, and give life to, who controls our subconscious? Things we accept as truths, and therefore; we do.

And since perception is truth, and we control truth, are we not gods?

Taken another way, what I just said can mean that the subconscious is the ether, the ancient food of gods, ghosts, and any slew of monsters. Perhaps, the subconscious is the language of magic; perhaps it's just something we have. Perhaps the subconscious does not exist, and we think it does as an application of layers to our minds to seem "deep"... Perhaps we accept it as truth falsely. Or maybe the subconscious is God, and we're living its dreams.

What I mean to say is, who knows? God is God. Are we God? I don't know, I might never know. I can honestly say that I don't care to know. All I know is what I know, and that's perfectly fine with me.

Absolutely well written.

Very intelligent response... we "don't" know, and to think about it would be almost pointless, though bliss.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 12 2006, 11:36 PM

You know what they say about curiosity and cats.

Makes a smarter cat.