Techniques For Retaining Lucidity Options

I havent had a lucid dream in about 4 months now but when I have one I keep having them. I started practiciing ways to maintain lucidity and hold the images I see in the dream.

One thing I know for sure is if I concentrate on a certain object for more than a few seconds the whole dream disintegrates or I fade back into unconscious dreaming. I heard of a technique in which you look at your hands and just as they start to disintegrate you shift your attention to another object and keep doing it. The more you do it the longer you can stare at a certain object before it starts to fade.

From just practicing this everytime I find myself in a lucid dream ive managed to hold my lucid dreams for what seems to be about 20 minutes sometimes. I havent attained the ability to manifest objects at will but when im lucid dreaming I can stop traffic, break walls with my fist, jump 50 feet into the air, and ive actually gained the ability to fly at will and sometimes move through solid objects such as walls (I find that the hardest to do, usually I get stuck inside the wall and wake up).

I could never fly up until one day I just started doing it by accident I found myself flying by holding onto a bin in the subway station. Now every time im in a lucid dream all I have to do is run and jump and I can fly.

Do any of you know any good techniques to maintain lucidity, prevent the scenery from fading, and increase your abilities while lucid dreaming?

I havent had a lucid dream in about 4 months now but when I have one I keep having them. I started practiciing ways to maintain lucidity and hold the images I see in the dream.

One thing I know for sure is if I concentrate on a certain object for more than a few seconds the whole dream disintegrates or I fade back into unconscious dreaming. I heard of a technique in which you look at your hands and just as they start to disintegrate you shift your attention to another object and keep doing it. The more you do it the longer you can stare at a certain object before it starts to fade.

From just practicing this everytime I find myself in a lucid dream ive managed to hold my lucid dreams for what seems to be about 20 minutes sometimes. I havent attained the ability to manifest objects at will but when im lucid dreaming I can stop traffic, break walls with my fist, jump 50 feet into the air, and ive actually gained the ability to fly at will and sometimes move through solid objects such as walls (I find that the hardest to do, usually I get stuck inside the wall and wake up).

I could never fly up until one day I just started doing it by accident I found myself flying by holding onto a bin in the subway station. Now every time im in a lucid dream all I have to do is run and jump and I can fly.

Do any of you know any good techniques to maintain lucidity, prevent the scenery from fading, and increase your abilities while lucid dreaming?

Just do all of which you stated, and don't give up, consistancy is what's important.

To add to that, try practicing to go into a trance state, that can help as well.

If you consistently look at your hands, or a particular object, when you focus yourself during a lucid dream, you might consider a simple sigil (i.e., not complex) and draw it on your hand, or whatever corresponding object. I often found when I was wearing lots of rings, that if i wore a ring for a long time, i'd become aware of it when I was dreaming as a normal part of my 'appearance'. I tried making a simple sigil out of a few particular strokes, like a simple kanji character basically, on my palm with a sharpie. The most lucid dreams I have had, have been where I noticed that sigil on my hand and was just *bang* lucid.. If you can get it to be a regular thing by some trigger method, and make it the norm for when you're asleep, you'll have achieved something really useful.

I still get maybe only five or six lucid dreams a month, but the first few were spaced out months or sometimes years at a time.

peace

I forgot to note something important:

When you DO have a lucid dream, try not to think of the physical/conscious life as that will quickly awake you. Try to understand the dream you're in, try something spiritual, do NOT think of daily life in the physical or problems you face, try your best to stay in the dream and forget your daily life, as these will awake you and make you conscious.

Hmmmm..... I don't think that's totally universal. With sufficient experience, it's easier to stay in a lucid dream willfully, and I have sought answers to questions there that concerned my waking life. It hasn't hapened often that i'm able to actually recall events in my life while in a lucid dream, and I think there was a point where I would become lucid, then think of something in my waking life, and then wake up, but I can think of a few times in the last several months that I thought of those things and managed to stay dreaming.

Some months ago, during a lucid dream, as an example of what I mean, I 'woke up' during my dream when I looked at my friend marcus' face, who was there with me. When I did, I remembered that he was having trouble writing songs (he wants to me a musician, although in my dream I didn't make the direct connection between writing songs and being a musician) so we had a short conversation before he faded from my dreamscape about why he was having trouble. He responded by explaining that he was afraid of making something good because if he ever had to record them, he'd be judged. Something to that effect, anyway, but more broken and long winded.

Part of the mastery of dreaming is learning how to stay there as long as you want, under any circumstances. It's a long time working on it, sure, but if you never try, you'll certainly never get there.

peace

Enochian dreaming 101....lol
Ok one thing that is very important to staying lucid in dreams is to begin combining wakeng life with dreaming. If you are familiar with stalking and in the case of alchemy try living in the present. Move away from the robot or the sheep part of waking life and you will add time to your lucidity. Also finding lost energy and spirit is important.
Dont look at life as dreaming and reality "realities just a fu%&ed up dream". Castaneda is a great source for advanced dreaming and he gets very in depth in the Art of Dreaming. Follow the gates in his book(s) they have done wonders for all my dreaming.
Work in the "twilight" areas of your sleep this is going to eventually lead to you having complete control.
Energy is severly wasted if you eat within a 2 hour period of sleep also.
Almost forgot and we discussed this in another thread if you like the mary Jane like i used to give it a rest for a while. Your dreams will thank you.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Dec 3 2006, 01:50 PM

My experiences in lucid dreaming have all occurred during short naps a day or two after a night of intensive meditation and (more recently) AP. Every time I dreamt that my teeth fell out and sometimes my skin peels off. I don’t know how to classify these weird occurrences but they are like subconscious “triggers” which immediately inform me that I am in a dream at which point I have a choice to continue or wake up. Have any of you experienced such “triggers”?

I have also found that while I am in some control of the dream environment, certain laws of physics still apply … For example however hard I try I cannot fly. Next time I’ll try a subway bin LOL.

In terms of maintaining lucidity, there is (at least for me) a correlation between the strength of my visualizations while meditating and strength of my dreams. I guess the lesson learned is that by strengthening ones visualization capabilities while awake you are rewarded more vivid and lucid images while asleep.

Enochian, that’s some good advice on food consumption and MJ, I have definitely found it to be true.

My experiences in lucid dreaming have all occurred during short naps a day or two after a night of intensive meditation and (more recently) AP. Every time I dreamt that my teeth fell out and sometimes my skin peels off. I don’t know how to classify these weird occurrences but they are like subconscious “triggers” which immediately inform me that I am in a dream at which point I have a choice to continue or wake up. Have any of you experienced such “triggers”?

I have also found that while I am in some control of the dream environment, certain laws of physics still apply … For example however hard I try I cannot fly. Next time I’ll try a subway bin LOL.

In terms of maintaining lucidity, there is (at least for me) a correlation between the strength of my visualizations while meditating and strength of my dreams. I guess the lesson learned is that by strengthening ones visualization capabilities while awake you are rewarded more vivid and lucid images while asleep.

Enochian, that’s some good advice on food consumption and MJ, I have definitely found it to be true.

Teeth falling out and skin means you care a lot about how you appear to others, self-appearance means a lot to you.

Teeth falling out and skin means you care a lot about how you appear to others, self-appearance means a lot to you.

Greetings DeathStalker,

Yeah that is the standard interpretation and when I was in my teens appearance was definitely of high importance. But in this case it seems more like I am removing a shell...it's not horrifying and I am the one who ends up peeling the skin and pulling the teeth to reveal another set of teeth and layer of skin. There is a degree of choice. If I don't do it I wake up. I find it interesting that this serves to cue me that I am in a dream thus permitting me to interact with the characters and environment of the dream at a more conscious level.

Teeth falling out and skin means you care a lot about how you appear to others, self-appearance means a lot to you.

That reminds of an odd dream I had a while back. I never got around to interpreting it.

I was standing outside a supermarket and I started pulling hairs out of my mouth. I noticed they were giant long strands of hair which went all the way down my throat. The hair just kept coming out by the end of it I must have pulled about 20 foot of hair out of my throat.

I wonder what the meaning of that one is. Are there any standard interpretations of pulling hair out of your mouth?

That reminds of an odd dream I had a while back. I never got around to interpreting it.

I was standing outside a supermarket and I started pulling hairs out of my mouth. I noticed they were giant long strands of hair which went all the way down my throat. The hair just kept coming out by the end of it I must have pulled about 20 foot of hair out of my throat.

I wonder what the meaning of that one is. Are there any standard interpretations of pulling hair out of your mouth?

Are you too obsessed about your health? primarly what you're eating? A health finatic?

Considering the principle requirement for a Lucid dream is a level of conscious awareness of being in a dream , here is a question for all. When you have a Lucid dream how do you know that you are dreaming? As I explained above for me it is the shedding of teeth and skin, but I am curious to know about your "tells" or "triggers". Also do any of you will yourselves into having a Lucid dream before going to bed? I was reading this article online and the author talks about how to cause a Lucid Dream... I've never tried this and was wondering if any of you have any experience doing so.

For me my first lucid dreams were brought on by castaneda i would look at my hands throughout the day and ask if i was dreaming. I did it so much that in my dream i saw my hands asked myself and sure enough i became concious in the dream after realizing i was. By the way just the fact we have to "tell ourselves" weather or not we are dreaming to notice it is interesting enough and a topic all its own.

Are you too obsessed about your health? primarly what you're eating? A health finatic?

Nope. Im actually the complete opposite. Im getting better now but Im usually real compulsive when it comes to eating. Whenever I get a craving for a certain type of fast food I just go out and get it.

Maybe at the time I was getting concerned that I was eating too much crap because I feel sick the odd time from eating too much of the shit

Another technique i'm aware of is...

Try to be "aware" that you are in the physical whilst in the daily life, for example... Every now and then look at your hands and feet to make sure you are not in a dream, or try another way to convince yourself that you are not dreaming (knowing that you're not).

What this will do is become a habit, and eventually you will do this whilst dreaming, and once you see that its a dream you will become aware and thus a "lucid dreamer".

I just stumbled upon another thing that made me lucid last night. I had a dream that I had stolen a $2000 cellphone and I was excited thinking about selling it. I had it in my pocket and I kept thinking it was too good to be true then I realized f%*! it is too good to be true. Its a dream.

Thats when I noticed it started fading because I had realized it was a dream. I thought about what someone had said on this forum and convinced myself that it was real again. Still knowing I was dreaming but acting like it was real I dragged the dream on for another 20 minutes seemingly.

I decided to have a bit of fun with the cellphone and make some phonecalls seeing as it would do me no good to sell it. I scrolled through the address book and rang a name called Qu Qong. I figured it was a native. I decided to sing the song from Da Ali G show "Throw the Jew Down the Well".

The person on the other end of the line was laughing his ass off. The dream ended a little after that.

Gets me wondering. What if we realized day to day reality was just a dream and that our dreaming self is dreaming us at this very moment. Would reality just fade away like dreams do? Would we gain superhuman abilities like we do in dreams when we realize were dreaming?

Day to day is just a dream. Its the focus of the assemblage point if you want more proof try Salvia...lol
Actually if you stay focussed on the now and do reality checks after a while you begin to have dreams pop up while you are awake, something will trigger it or you will remember it as if it was life. Try the Toltec method of stalking it will show you the truth.
After a while you have to think to yourself weather you were dreaming or not. Its tough at first but you can see the progression from there. You can literally (i believe) go from here to somewhere else permanantly if you choose to. Im not saying its easy but Castaneda has some documented cases of it.
The progression of dreaming takes a lot of effort but in the end it pays off so well. Auric sight is easy to obtain as a dreamer and i actually have to vconcentrate to not see them anymore if need to that is. Meditation and working in the "twilight" will take you the distance if you choose. There are many schools and interesting places in the dream world. Including schools of magick and most secret societies reside there also.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Dec 9 2006, 03:05 PM

Its the focus of the assemblage point if you want more proof try Salvia

Very good point. I never saw it like that. Smoking salvia to me is very similar to a dream fading away or disintegrating.

I have tried Salvia but I find it near to impossible to put it into words. At the very least it was the most intense mind boggling puzzle Ive ever tried to solve. First noticable effects was pins and needles in my face followed by my jaw turning to jelly which was accompanied with uncontrollable laughter. Then I casually sank into the couch and all I can remember of the peak is me trying desperately with some luck so solve some intense mind puzzle which visually looked like a big collague of different shades of light blue.

I dont know if I learned anything from the experience or not.

Actually if you stay focussed on the now and do reality checks after a while you begin to have dreams pop up while you are awake, something will trigger it or you will remember it as if it was life.

Im gonna start doing that actually. I havent had a real lucid dream in months and Im starting to miss it. I hear a good one is to look at my watch and ask myself what time is it, is this a dream?

Try the Toltec method of stalking it will show you the truth.

I could never figure out what was meant by stalking in Castaneda books. I think it was reading some of these Castaneda excerps. http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda that triggered me to start having lucid dreams and once I had one I started having them nearly every night. Like you said in previous posts cannabis is no good for dreaming. At least remembering dreams. When I stop smoking it I start to remember my dreams every night so I have to get back into the habit of making myself lucid while dreaming.

Also something that caught my interest in Castaneda books but I couldnt understand was when he made the distinction between "dreaming" and just regular dreams. Any idea what he meant by dreaming?

Auric sight is easy to obtain as a dreamer and i actually have to vconcentrate to not see them anymore if need to that is.

Do you mean that learning the ability to see auras in dreams also gives you the ability to see them in your regular waking state?

This post has been edited by Xochipilli: Dec 9 2006, 11:50 PM

Another technique i'm aware of is...

Try to be "aware" that you are in the physical whilst in the daily life, for example... Every now and then look at your hands and feet to make sure you are not in a dream, or try another way to convince yourself that you are not dreaming (knowing that you're not).

What this will do is become a habit, and eventually you will do this whilst dreaming, and once you see that its a dream you will become aware and thus a "lucid dreamer".

That sounds like the best technique so far because like that no matter what situation your in in the dream youll at one point of another ask yourself if its a dream. Its funny how easy it is to distinguish the dream from day to day state by just asking the question and how real and static the dream is before you ask that question.

That sounds like the best technique so far because like that no matter what situation your in in the dream youll at one point of another ask yourself if its a dream. Its funny how easy it is to distinguish the dream from day to day state by just asking the question and how real and static the dream is before you ask that question.

I know, it is infact the best way for those having trouble with lucid dreams. The only thing though is that you have to be consistant in doing it for atleast 2-3 weeks for it to become a habbit, don't give up on it.

Its exactly how i had my first lucid dream. Its seems so silly but makes so much sense really. Look at your hands maybe 15+ times a day and ask am i dreaming? From there your subconcious will do the rest by haveing you look at your hands while dreaming. The practice of dreaming is not easy for ONE reason you have to stick with it. Once you begin to have good experiances dont quit. After a while it will be so easy for you that it wont take up as much time and you can move on to other practices. The reason i find it so important is because it allows me the rest i need but gives me almost 1/3 of my life back that i can practice or as i said find a school in the astral that is up your alley. Branches of the golden dawn, the illuminati, ordo templi, Templar, hell you name it there is a school in the astral. This does take MUCH time to progress to but as i said it makes my concious life that much longer. The places that exist in the astral are far beyond anything here. So much so that its very addictive and i have to remember 8 to 9 hours of sleep is it. Hmm i think i have my first ld here somewhere.....yup here you go.

My first adventure into lucid dreaming.. I was woke many differant time this morning and as i drifted back to sleep my intent was high. I knew from study this is one of the best prooven ways to have an experiance and sure enough. i fall back to sleep very fast and am almost immediatly standing at a sink washing my hands. I look down at my hands and remember thinking what about them?? Oh yes im supposed to look at them. But why?? Oh yes i look at them to see if im awake...So i lift them a bit and turn them over..As soon as i do my hands are very vibrant very clear...Yes i am dreming (AWESOME) ya it almost brought me back to dream state because i realized it in dream that i was THERE. yes but now what..(not to bright in dreamland yet)...lol I continue to wash my hands not much is clear except my hands themselves. i feel no fluids and see no water. But as i dip them back down i see they change color slightly (bluish). This is when i am awoke but at almost the same time or just an instant before i also feel not at all alone. Bam im awake and my wife is standing at the door telling me time to get up.. But i feel it fade as soon as im awake...But no it cannot. i lay back down (to some dirty looks) but this is too important. Its fading almost like i can physically feel it fading. I lay down for a couple and keep my eyes shut. All i remember now is hands hands.. And sure enough since im excited and the intent is high it comes back to me... As soo as i feel i remember enough i hop up and into the shower. Now is when the odd things come the presence i did not forget its there still after im up and awake i feel it no doubt. As i wash my hands in the shower and concentrate on the feeling of being watched..I get a serious slap of deja vu. maybe just coincidence but man is the feeling strong...Thank you all for helping to make this a reality Love ya Todd.

From Osiris's canon volume one, dream journal of horus.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Dec 10 2006, 06:14 PM

The reason i find it so important is because it allows me the rest i need but gives me almost 1/3 of my life back that i can practice or as i said find a school in the astral that is up your alley.


You bring up an excellent point there, one i've thought about incessantly. That we sleep 1/3 of our lives, we sleep not remembering nor understanding what we dream about, thus practically wasting our time away. The fact that in Lucid dreams we are aware of "being" and are more conscious, we are able to take responsibilities of life within our hands and apply them in a more spiritual manner.

For instance, we can literally practice magick and spirituality within a dream, or chakra work, or find missing links; but unless we know we are dreaming these will be highly unlikely.

Save 1/3 of your life why not?

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This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 10 2006, 06:33 PM

Dont forget when you reach a good level of dreaming all the historical mages,occultists,witches nearly anyone becomes accesible in dreams up to and including living people that know how to tune into friends or aquaintances. Many circles meet in the astral.
Some people travel. I was pullled as a noobie dreamer to the pyramids. in these places sacred things have taken place and the energy is so high you just borrow from it and can go all night. Not to mention the pyramids were created (some of them) for chakra aligning and meditations. i have yet to go but there is claimed to be a room completely covered in emerald that will bring your heart chakra so alive that the experiance is life altering. imagine having a summoning or any practice in a room of this kind.
it takes alot but the end results are well most of them we dicussed already.
even solomon put dreaming on the top of his list. He was one of the greatest mystics to ever live.
Anyways good dreaming guys if i can help out in any ways let me know.