Is The Earth Sad? Options

Dudes well as i am a fulltime Nec practitioner, so i post that in this section coz there might be smthing related to the Nec:



I have been waking earlier these days due to exams. when go out before sun rise, still in the dark, then the breeze is still cool, when you still get to feel the spiritual world energy, there is a sensing from the planet that i get. its a sort of saddness...



About 10 years back i was waking about 4am for revision also, and previously i felt lazy and dormant and a bit null concerning emotions, but now as i into the magical for a bit more that 1 yr, i can sense emotions....



This reminds me of Final fantasy where the dudes could hear the earths cries.

One thing i would like to metion is that since i got my Bandar, i no longer have nightmares as such. But once when a real powerful evil stuff got into our dimension, i sensed that through a nightmare. No Worries the evil is gone.

But since sometime i have been also getting dreams of Alien ships getting into earth and trying to kick our butts in ways thats horrible. Once i was even like tracked by sorts of helicopters but fortunately another army of helicopters came to flee that one.

Well these need interpretations, Seraphim told me that the helicopter might be a demon monitoring me and my Bandar and the spirits protecting me came to piss it off....



But coming back to the earth, i really wish the feelings i got are only my imagination. what i feel is that the earth showing it being destroyed. a sort of weeping as in the final fantasy movie. :-(



Anyone want to say something on this feeling.?



mystick

In the Akkadian flood myth with Atra-Hasis, Enlil accused Enki of breaking the covenant by saving man. Enki denies this saying that Atra-Hasis (aka the Sumerian Ziusudra, aka Utnapishtim, aka the biblical Noah) was innocent and should have been saved. Enlil is still furious but Enki calms him down stating that humans should be protected from the Gods fury so long as they do not overpopulate and overuse the earth's resources. Of couse after the industrial ages swept though Europe, then spreading to other areas, we are highly overpopulated and are pillaging the earth's resources as if there were an infinite source of them. When looking at it like this, that the human population is breaking the covenant against Earth, it is no wonder that you feel some sorrow from the Zi Kia, the spirit of earth.

This post has been edited by Ashnook: Dec 7 2006, 10:44 PM

i'm not certain about the earth. But i know i feel sad for it.

Yesterday i read about a technique that could revitalise some oil wells to pump more oil faster from it.
That really seemed like a bad idea, since i want to push forward towards green energies.

However it brings me joy when i read about things like better solar panels.

Anyway, i am glad to hear you played final fantasy 7, such a great game. With so many wisdoms in it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

It is very sad to see the Earth being destroyed. I would have to agree that we are breaking the covenant, but how many people actually know of its existence? What bothers me the most is how most people disrespect life in all forms. They seem to think that humans are above animals and all other living things. I really hope that one day I can go to Wal-mart and buy a license to kill people. Hurting an innocent animal will bring someone some of the Worst karma they could ever imagine, but they don't seem to realize that. I had a guy tell me that every time he goes huntin' someone hits his truck. His solution to the problem was that this year he wouldn't take his truck on the hunting trip. The Gods don't have to destroy us....I think we've got that covered.

The more sensitive we become the more in tune we are to a living and tortured earth. Yes absolutly the earth suffers.

I heard from someone that America is the only country that is not for forest preservations.

So much for a hegemonic country, sad.

I'm 100% for preserving rain forests.

Greetings Wicked One,

I totally agree about people disrespecting life in all forms. However I have found hunting to be a very spiritual experience as a person who practices Shamanism. Mind you that real Shamans are hunters. The hides / horns / hooves / claws / teeth salvaged from the hunt are later used to contact the spirit of that animal and aid in shape shifting.

There is no such thing as a Shaman who does not hunt unless it is some new age yuppie beating on a drum and “calling” himself a Shaman.

There is a huge difference between going hunting and shooting anything that moves and going hunting and waiting for the animal who chooses to commune with you.

Life feeds on life. To me there is something Holy about occasionally killing your own food rather than getting it from Mcdonalds drive thru window.

Believe me I really do respect the animal and it is not the act of killing which I so much enjoy. It is something much higher than that which is hard for me to explain.

The ground has never drank a drop of blood which God did not make. He put us where we are on the food chain very intentionally.

God our ancestors and the animal can all be honored through the hunt. If the hunt is conducted in a fitting way.

Peace

This post has been edited by Edunpanna: Dec 18 2006, 12:53 AM

I agree with smasher. I am a vegan but if I actually go out and kill the animal I will eat it.

and to the Original post


We are so much the victims of abstraction that with the Earth in flames we can barely rouse ourselves to wander across the room and look at the thermostat.

I feel the end will be before us before the time of worrying about the world dying comes. Maybe it will be a combination of both.
This is no excuse i love to see the world in the days of the medevil times clean and wonderful.
As for hunting i served in the military for a long time and have a strong shamanic belief. As long as what you hunt does not go to waste than its no problem. Balance is key. If we do not hunt animals of certain types they over populate and spread disease.

I feel the end will be before us before the time of worrying about the world dying comes. Maybe it will be a combination of both.
This is no excuse i love to see the world in the days of the medevil times clean and wonderful.
As for hunting i served in the military for a long time and have a strong shamanic belief. As long as what you hunt does not go to waste than its no problem. Balance is key. If we do not hunt animals of certain types they over populate and spread disease.

Ahh yes I have heard this many times "If we do not hunt animals of certain types they over populate and spread disease." If this was the way the Gods wanted it would that not put Humans on the menu also! We are very over populated and are spreading thousands of diseases. I am not attaching you in anyway so please don't take this personal;I just want everyone to see my picture. Even IF what you say is true, I for one choose not to take part in the process. Look at it like this way next time you go hunting. Animals have familys do they not? How would you like it if someone came and shot one of your brothers or your dad?!?, and all for personal reasons at that! A wise man once told me that ALL animals are GOOD at heart. I have yet to be proven wrong. In my opinion it takes someone with questionable morals to hurt an innocent animal.
All we as Humans seem to do is consume, what do we give back to the Earth?

Ahh yes I have heard this many times "If we do not hunt animals of certain types they over populate and spread disease." If this was the way the Gods wanted it would that not put Humans on the menu also! We are very over populated and are spreading thousands of diseases. I am not attaching you in anyway so please don't take this personal;I just want everyone to see my picture. Even IF what you say is true, I for one choose not to take part in the process. Look at it like this way next time you go hunting. Animals have familys do they not? How would you like it if someone came and shot one of your brothers or your dad?!?, and all for personal reasons at that! A wise man once told me that ALL animals are GOOD at heart. I have yet to be proven wrong. In my opinion it takes someone with questionable morals to hurt an innocent animal.
All we as Humans seem to do is consume, what do we give back to the Earth?

If a bear or shark eats me so be it, the plants and the animals eat each other. The thing I disagree with (which is why I am vegan) is this animal concentration camps called the farming industry. It causes so much damage to the planet, probably more so then anything else.

Greetings,

Wickedone, yah I understand where your coming from on killing 'innocent' animals. But the way i see it is that everything that lives has a purpose.
If you take a deer, for example. What purpose does it have? Why does an animal like the deer exist in the first place? To feed carnivores. It is a prey species. Animals that eat meat hunt it, kill it, and eat it. And you know that we as humans are predatory animals.
Sure, we build cities, create art, and travel to the moon. That doesn't make us more than animals. It just makes us technologically advanced ones.
We live in a society today where animals, our prey, are served up to us on supermarket shelves.(And you are very right about that industry Distilliate.)
But there was a time when you couldn't eat meat unless you went out and killed it. I don't think there is anything in the least wrong with carrying out your role in this world. If there weren't any plants, there'd be no herbivores(the deer), and if there were no herbivores there wouldn't be any carnivores.(wolves, lions, us etc...). We are a part of this world's food chain and killing and eating what was put here to feed us i don't think is morally or spiritually wrong.
Peace.

Indeed hunting is good for the hunted species overall.
There's been attempts at banning hunting, and shortening seasons.
What was found is 55-70% of a given herd will die off due to competition and starvation, versus the 15-25% killed off in a hunting seaon.

Sorry if my view offends, but humans are predators, and thousands of years of predatory instinct will not be erased by a few short decades of PC rhetoric.

We are predators, we started as hunter/gatherers, and that's what we're wired for. We have a role to play in the ecosystem, same as the prey and plant life does. To shirk that is irresponsible. That in no way excuses the abuses seen in commercial ranches. however, there are ways to humanely raise food animals and kill them in a proper and relatively painless manner.

As for humans, I believe that is why we periodically have wars, to thin the herd a bit. Look at history, when populations reach a certain critical density, which differs depending on the area and available resources, that population starts warring with its neighbors. Or look at cities. The denser the population, the more hostile it is, and the more violent crime there is. One has to be blind not to see that the population is artificially inflated, and there is a coming cataclysm (SP?) where the crap is really going to hit the fan, and there's going to be a lot fewer people afterward.

Indeed hunting is good for the hunted species overall.
There's been attempts at banning hunting, and shortening seasons.
What was found is 55-70% of a given herd will die off due to competition and starvation, versus the 15-25% killed off in a hunting seaon.

Sorry if my view offends, but humans are predators, and thousands of years of predatory instinct will not be erased by a few short decades of PC rhetoric.

We are predators, we started as hunter/gatherers, and that's what we're wired for. We have a role to play in the ecosystem, same as the prey and plant life does. To shirk that is irresponsible. That in no way excuses the abuses seen in commercial ranches. however, there are ways to humanely raise food animals and kill them in a proper and relatively painless manner.

As for humans, I believe that is why we periodically have wars, to thin the herd a bit. Look at history, when populations reach a certain critical density, which differs depending on the area and available resources, that population starts warring with its neighbors. Or look at cities. The denser the population, the more hostile it is, and the more violent crime there is. One has to be blind not to see that the population is artificially inflated, and there is a coming cataclysm (SP?) where the crap is really going to hit the fan, and there's going to be a lot fewer people afterward.

Our species is able to create some of the most mind boggling technoLOGICAL achievements. Yet we use them for destruction of our planet. We point bombs at our own planet for gods sake! "We have wandered into a state of prolonged neurosis because of the absence of a direct pipeline to the unconscious and we have then fallen victim to priestcraft of every conceivable sort. " We have the power and technology to feed everyone on this planet and we don't. The top 1% of the population controls the majority of the wealth. The earth is a living being and can feel this imbalance and is doing what any living system does to get the poison out (another flood in order?). Our species has to be the smartest and the stupidest, if there is a GOd they are probably getting pretty tired of our bullshit.

I’m sick and tired about hearing people whine about how our human actions are counter-nature…Hey guess what? Were all part of f**cking Nature and so is everything we make and do. We kill plants, we kill animals, we kill ourselves…its all Nature. Nothing on this planet whether organic, industrial, or technological is outside the realm of Nature... An atomic bomb? Yeah that’s nature too and if it within Nature’s (or the Godhead’s) Will, we will use it to destroy ourselves.

We are NOT destroying our planet. Our planet, Earth, can withstand billions of nuclear attacks…and guess what it will still be around; and some micro-organism will survive which will once again seed life on this planet. Nothing we can make or do will ever compare to the magnitude of the volatile forces that went into the process of creating our Sun and consequently our Planet. 251 million years ago a huge meteorite smashed into Earth causing a nuclear winter that scientist estimate killed off 90% of all existing life. Guess what? Earth and life prevailed; soon our world was populated by a plethora of new plant and animal species…it was the age of the Dinosaur! 65 million years ago, another meteorite ploughed into the Yucatan peninsula; a nuclear winter ensued killing off the apex species, the dinosaurs. Guess what? Earth and Life prevailed giving way to a New Age, the age of Man. Catch my drift? We are not the finite species, the solar system was not created for us; consequently, we too will become extinct to give way to a New Age, whatever that may be. The spirit, the soul, call it what you will, will return to its source to be emanated once again in this continual process of creation-destruction. We (including our present day plant and animal species) are infidecimal ticks in the grand galactic clock of Creation…let Nature take its course!

Simply put, our planet is not in danger; it is us who are in danger! The human ego is at work here. This hippie tree-hugging bullshit to “save the planet” is simply self-preservation disguised as a love for Nature. If you love the planet and you love nature, than accept the reality and loose the anthro-centric perspective. Let go of the Ego. From Ashes we get Gold! As below, so above! Planet earth too must complete its alchemical Great Work! And perhaps, it is our role to speed up the process and blow our physical existence to Hell.

So is the Earth sad? Nah, it couldn’t give a flying F*ck. It will still be around regardless of what we do.

This post has been edited by Faustopheles: Dec 18 2006, 07:31 PM

I’m sick and tired about hearing people whine about how our human actions are counter-nature…Hey guess what? Were all part of f**cking Nature and so is everything we make and do. We kill plants, we kill animals, we kill ourselves…its all Nature. Nothing on this planet whether organic, industrial, or technological is outside the realm of Nature... An atomic bomb? Yeah that’s nature too and if it within Nature’s (or the Godhead’s) Will, we will use it to destroy ourselves.

We are NOT destroying our planet. Our planet, Earth, can withstand billions of nuclear attacks…and guess what it will still be around; and some micro-organism will survive which will once again seed life on this planet. Nothing we can make or do will ever compare to the magnitude of the volatile forces that went into the process of creating our Sun and consequently our Planet. 251 million years ago a huge meteorite smashed into Earth causing a nuclear winter that scientist estimate killed off 90% of all existing life. Guess what? Earth and life prevailed; soon our world was populated by a plethora of new plant and animal species…it was the age of the Dinosaur! 65 million years ago, another meteorite ploughed into the Yucatan peninsula; a nuclear winter ensued killing off the apex species, the dinosaurs. Guess what? Earth and Life prevailed giving way to a New Age, the age of Man. Catch my drift? We are not the finite species, the solar system was not created for us; consequently, we too will become extinct to give way to a New Age, whatever that may be. The spirit, the soul, call it what you will, will return to its source to be emanated once again in this continual process of creation-destruction. We (including our present day plant and animal species) are infidecimal ticks in the grand galactic clock of Creation…let Nature take its course!

Simply put, our planet is not in danger; it is us who are in danger! The human ego is at work here. This hippie tree-hugging bullshit to “save the planet” is simply self-preservation disguised as a love for Nature. If you love the planet and you love nature, than accept the reality and loose the anthro-centric perspective. Let go of the Ego. From Ashes we get Gold! As below, so above! Planet earth too must complete its alchemical Great Work! And perhaps, it is our role to speed up the process and blow our physical existence to Hell.

So is the Earth sad? Nah, it couldn’t give a flying F*ck. It will still be around regardless of what we do.

Wow I don't think I have ever agreed with someone so much yet disagreed with them so much at the same time. Just cause the earth is going to cleanse itself one day do you think we should speed up its progress? The sun will explode one day should we work on speeding that up to?

Wow I don't think I have ever agreed with someone so much yet disagreed with them so much at the same time. Just cause the earth is going to cleanse itself one day do you think we should speed up its progress? The sun will explode one day should we work on speeding that up to?

Yeah! Lets blow up the sun!
lol

No, my point is that we as humans (for obvious reasons) look at everything from a very closed perspective. We should sometimes take a step back and look at the patterns and processes at work at larger and grander scale. To do this we must distance ourselves from the human experience.

To answer a question such as "is the earth sad" we have to place it in the larger context, not what we think is best for us. The argument that humans are destroying the planet really has no basis. We may be destroying our existence on this planet, but as it has shown over and over again, the planet will evolve and survive. Yeah it sucks to think about loosing culture, wildlife, and plant species, but it is also fascinating and beautiful to think about what might take their place...of course, we will never see it but it nonetheless will occur (i.e. Dinosaurs to Man). This is the continual cycle of which we are only a tiny tiny fragment and sometimes we need to be reminded of this.

This post has been edited by Faustopheles: Dec 18 2006, 07:58 PM

Greetings Wicked one,

"How would you like it if someone came and shot one of your brothers or your dad?!?, "

Uh that would be pretty funny actually. Why can you have this arranged?

LMFAO!

We add to the speed of the planets end yes. But so does a swarm of locusts. The thing about humans and the planet is not that we are polluting and destroying the ozone...Its as one of you already said. We have no balance. Our intelligence (compared to animals) has made us greedy and materialistic. The evil of people far outways the good. We truly do live in the valley of the shadow. The earth responds inturn as already said. If WE THE PEOPLE would do whats needed (trust me its not going to happen) and stop paying taxes and walk up to the doors of the white house in the millions we could end this. But theres not enough who care. If our own government started to whipe us all out so be it than we would be Martyrs. The people of the US would finally see how fallen the leadership has become. But as i said it wont happen to many are happy to get up work there asses off so the governement can take our money go home and watch the television and go to bed and start over again. we are to worried about football and what happens in famous peples lives. The progress made to make us sheep is amazing but we continue to watch. Just the amount spent on ONE stealth bomber given to the right people would end starvation in the US for the rest of the year actually probably longer.
ANyone who says that the demon does not live among us is a fool.

Wow, Faustopheles, that is very much the truth. I couldn't quite get the words right to explain my position, but as you've put it is exactly right. Everything has it's cycle as we are nothing more that a piece of that.
But i think Distillate makes a good point in the context of your arguement. Even though we aren't so much destroying the planet, but only ourselves, we should do whatever we can to preserve our existence.
Another point, or maybe aspect, of this argument came to me while reading the latest posts. I don't know if it belongs here, but i'll go at it anyway and if the mods disagree, just move it please.
But in the context of us killing ourselves rather than the planet, how do you think space travel and possible interplanetary colonization may affect our existence and role in this universe? Do you all think we will manage such a miraculous feat before we kill ourselves off? It would certainly be a weird culture for us humans if 'Earthlings' survived without a habitable Earth.
Peace.

The thoughts on what you say feel as if they are not so far off. No longer are we concerning ourselves with speed in space as much as we are with frequency and energy waves being a mode of travel to the stars. I feel the occultist has a huge card to play in the end times. But the occultist is balance also. There are the good and the bad of us.
Since i have studied the majority of the time about dreaming,energy and obe i see its not so hard to transcend time and space. Many im sure including the government have taken into account that its possible we live among "aliens" right here and now we just are not tuned into them. Maybe all planets are populated we just dont see it.

We add to the speed of the planets end yes. But so does a swarm of locusts. The thing about humans and the planet is not that we are polluting and destroying the ozone...Its as one of you already said. We have no balance. Our intelligence (compared to animals) has made us greedy and materialistic. The evil of people far outways the good. We truly do live in the valley of the shadow. The earth responds inturn as already said. If WE THE PEOPLE would do whats needed (trust me its not going to happen) and stop paying taxes and walk up to the doors of the white house in the millions we could end this. But theres not enough who care. If our own government started to whipe us all out so be it than we would be Martyrs. The people of the US would finally see how fallen the leadership has become. But as i said it wont happen to many are happy to get up work there asses off so the governement can take our money go home and watch the television and go to bed and start over again. we are to worried about football and what happens in famous peples lives. The progress made to make us sheep is amazing but we continue to watch. Just the amount spent on ONE stealth bomber given to the right people would end starvation in the US for the rest of the year actually probably longer.
ANyone who says that the demon does not live among us is a fool.

Maybe these cycles of extinction keep happening because the head "animal" in charge keeps fucking up. least the insects will survive heh

I agree Faust. All that needs to be done to prove your point is look at history. The earth goes into a new age and all we do is destroy ourselves over and over. The mayans the egyptians the romans its all there in the history. Statistically speaking the US only has so much more time before the big guy falls.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Dec 18 2006, 08:47 PM

"We have a problem
With no solution but to love
And to be loved

So I've made peace with the fallen leaves
I see their same fate in my own body
But I won't be frightened when I'm awoken from this dream
And return to that which gave birth to me"

Greetings Edunpanna,

I don't see death as the best answer to most problems, but I do know people, who know people. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) lmao!

Very interesting point you made Faustopheles. I can see how someone would have that thought process. Yes I agree the Earth will probably survive long after we are gone. There are two sides to look at everything and you take the exact opposite from me. This planet did not start out as "OURS" , we are simply staying here for a while. When you borrow something you have two options, take care of it, or treat it like sh*t. So why is it ok for us not to give a f*^k about the Earth and just say it's going to happen sooner or later anyway?

Peace

I’m sick and tired about hearing people whine about how our human actions are counter-nature…Hey guess what? Were all part of f**cking Nature and so is everything we make and do. We kill plants, we kill animals, we kill ourselves…its all Nature. Nothing on this planet whether organic, industrial, or technological is outside the realm of Nature... An atomic bomb? Yeah that’s nature too and if it within Nature’s (or the Godhead’s) Will, we will use it to destroy ourselves.

We are NOT destroying our planet. Our planet, Earth, can withstand billions of nuclear attacks…and guess what it will still be around; and some micro-organism will survive which will once again seed life on this planet. Nothing we can make or do will ever compare to the magnitude of the volatile forces that went into the process of creating our Sun and consequently our Planet. 251 million years ago a huge meteorite smashed into Earth causing a nuclear winter that scientist estimate killed off 90% of all existing life. Guess what? Earth and life prevailed; soon our world was populated by a plethora of new plant and animal species…it was the age of the Dinosaur! 65 million years ago, another meteorite ploughed into the Yucatan peninsula; a nuclear winter ensued killing off the apex species, the dinosaurs. Guess what? Earth and Life prevailed giving way to a New Age, the age of Man. Catch my drift? We are not the finite species, the solar system was not created for us; consequently, we too will become extinct to give way to a New Age, whatever that may be. The spirit, the soul, call it what you will, will return to its source to be emanated once again in this continual process of creation-destruction. We (including our present day plant and animal species) are infidecimal ticks in the grand galactic clock of Creation…let Nature take its course!

Simply put, our planet is not in danger; it is us who are in danger! The human ego is at work here. This hippie tree-hugging bullshit to “save the planet” is simply self-preservation disguised as a love for Nature. If you love the planet and you love nature, than accept the reality and loose the anthro-centric perspective. Let go of the Ego. From Ashes we get Gold! As below, so above! Planet earth too must complete its alchemical Great Work! And perhaps, it is our role to speed up the process and blow our physical existence to Hell.

So is the Earth sad? Nah, it couldn’t give a flying F*ck. It will still be around regardless of what we do.

that you are saying cause you cant sense the lifeforce of the earth dude... i completely disagree with you when you say the earth does not give a flying f*&$#.... I know the human race is too much gone the wrong side of things and more of a virus to the earth in whole rather than a mutually beneficial relationship.
The meteorite explosion could have destroyed earth if it was significant. the earth is not as powerful as you think it is. Billions of nuclear attacks!!! lol. I guess you are still at your primary education or still a teen for not being able to judge the impact of that number of nuclear attack...

You compare the effect of human on earth on size issue. For you to understand it take it that the human body is so huge compared to the viruses and yet they viruses can cause so much damage to the body that they can eventually kill it....

As for the earth remaining here, thats for sure it will be here much beyond the extinction of the human race... What i wanted to know is the earth suffering from human actions and that is the extent of our actions so consequent as to make such an impact on the spirit of the earth itself.

Mystick

Greetings,

At one time the Earth had no atmosphere. At one time the Earth had no water. At one time the Earth had no oxygen it only had Carbon dioxide. Then the Earth got water from the chemical reaction of lava. Finally the Earth was covered with water. The Earth became so full of Carbon Dioxide <Due to microscopic life> that the Earth entered an ice age. COmets and meteors then struck the Earth and all ice and water was evaporated and the Earth returned to molten lava again. Then water came back and eventually we entered another ice age. Please keep in mind that all of this happened before the first animal ever walked the Earth.

Isn't History channel cool? All U gotta do is sit back and drink a beer and U learn all kinds of crap.

So my theory in short is this. Even if we nuke the ever living $h1t out of each other and the Earth returns to a planet of molten Lava again the Earth will survive. The Earth will return to life. The Earth will be around alot longer than us hairless monkeys will.

Eventually the Sun will go supernova and burn the Earth to toast. That will however be in a gigabillion years or so.

So dn't worry about the Earth. The Earth will be around a lot longer than us. Lets go ahead and continue concentration on ending all life on Earth.

Vote for me global dictator.

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When you kill a human, the body will still be there, but the life force gone. The earth after millions of atomic attack will still be there but the life force will be gone or at least very much reduced. The planet was initially energy in form of fusion reactions and heat etc etc as is the same energy all over the universe. Along with that energy is conciousness. Part of this conciousness when was capted by the planet or sent to the planet by a means the Gods know… consider the energy as a piece of paper filled with mathematical numbers. This will mean shit to someone but if you take the numbers and try to plot into a graph like for instance look for the frequency of occurance of each number, you would get something meaningful out of it. The conciousness stuff is much more complex but the example can give an idea. All the organisms on earth have part of their conciousness mingling with that of the earth and this makes the earths spirit grow in power and a certain harmony is created between the planet and the organisms it supports. That’s how the earth becomes stronger and stronger. The organisms have their lifecycles but indeed live it gracefully and they contribute to strengthen the spirit of the earth too… It is no secret to yogis that the conciousness of a person can be made to interact with that of the earth to use the earth as an ally… a thing that is linked with kundalini.

Worms inside our intestines live few weeks and die. But they contribute to the proper functioning of the higher organism, i.e us. So do some bacteria in our stomach that help digestion. But now if a certain type of microorganism starts abusing of resources, e.g some deadly viruses, then this affects the whole body and can lead to death. The body might still be there for long if you keep it frozen but it would no longer contain the spirit…



Planets are very powerful compared to humans in the sense that the spirits can still be there but much more in a passive form as for mars etc. They still have the energy in them but the lifeforce is passive according to me. Now unless there is divine intervention or some scientists try to make a green house effect and bring back little by little different organisms and this would little by little bring back the conciousness of mars till a harmony is created….



So now after this brief overview of how I see things, The earth is and will continue to exist for long, but it has a conciousness one might sense. I guess its how some animals get to know there might be an earth quake or a severe drought coming soon or stuff like that.

One day I was driving to work, and the sun and the atmosphere and the way nature was seemed odd… it was like there would be something different and big and in the afternoon I heard on radio that there was a quake in the sea luckily far from my island.



One more thing I would like to add is that when we say Spirit of the earth remember, it’s the conciousness of the earth that we are asking to save this prayer or deal you just made in its higher mind so that the words uttered remain here for long and the earth acts as a sort of signed contract drawer…



So again I will say that the earth is a very old spirit and it has emotions and might be able to like radiate these emotions.

Well this has been my point of view, as I learn from what I experience rather than what I read mostly, unless experience proves me otherwise ;-)

Greetings Mystic,

that you are saying cause you cant sense the lifeforce of the earth dude...

Maybe, or maybe you’ve watched Final Fantasy a few too many times, dude. I can make assumption too.

If the earth speaks to you ask it how many times the apex species has been wiped out, ask it how many times have forests perished, flora and fauna disappeared never to be seen again…and then sense the tranquility in its response. Realize that it’s all part of the cycles of Creation-Destruction.

i completely disagree with you when you say the earth does not give a flying f*&$#.... I know the human race is too much gone the wrong side of things and more of a virus to the earth in whole rather than a mutually beneficial relationship.

How do you know? Do you know what is beneficial for the planet? Perhaps to reach its next stage of planetary evolution, Earth needs a change – a big change and we are the agents who will produce that change. I’m playing devil’s advocate here, for I don’t really know either. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

The point is that your idea of the planet is the biological status quo that has existed in only a tiny fraction of the Earth’s 4.5 billion year existence. Why do we think that our entire Planet’s history is geared to creating what we presently have today or in our recent past? Think of the bigger picture, take your own ego and attachment to humanity out of the equation and bask in the void…you may reach a new level of understanding.

The meteorite explosion could have destroyed earth if it was significant. the earth is not as powerful as you think it is. Billions of nuclear attacks!!! lol. I guess you are still at your primary education or still a teen for not being able to judge the impact of that number of nuclear attack.. .

Lets see, perhaps you are right. Billions may be an exaggeration, but the energy released from a meteor impact of a few km in size is equivalent to several million nuclear weapon detonations. Do the research! In fact a small 30 lb rock coming from outer space will result in an impact equivalent to the 4 ton bomb dropped over Hiroshima in WWII. Yeah, clearly I am pre-pubescent teen uneducated in the sciences of astronomy and physics. Do yourself a favour and don’t dig a hole from which you cannot re-emerge.

You compare the effect of human on earth on size issue. For you to understand it take it that the human body is so huge compared to the viruses and yet they viruses can cause so much damage to the body that they can eventually kill it....

Bad analogy. This is simply not true…we humans can never kill the earth, we can alter its physical make-up for a brief period of time but in the end the earth will continue on its evolutionary course with or without us. This is the human Ego at is max. We will never have the capability to compete with the forces at work in the Cosmos.

As for the earth remaining here, thats for sure it will be here much beyond the extinction of the human race... What i wanted to know is the earth suffering from human actions and that is the extent of our actions so consequent as to make such an impact on the spirit of the earth itself.

I personally think you are much more in tune with the spirit of humanity. It is our own Ego crying out, telling us to stop the path of self-destruction…perhaps we should listen. But as for the earth, I stick to my earlier post- From Ashes comes Gold!

This post has been edited by Faustopheles: Dec 19 2006, 01:15 PM

why would we destroy earth?
For what reason would we speed up the destruction of the current eco system.

For greed, for personal pleasure, for comfort and egotistical ease?
Certainly you are not advocating its demise on the premises of spiritual growth?
While it may be true that earth will recover eventually, that is like me beating the hell out of you saying the doctor will fix you up in a year or 20 after you come out of your coma...
And then me claiming, you don't mind being beat up, becouse what is 1 or 10 years of coma to you, you will recover anyway, and you will die at the end anyway too...
Then i could also state to the police, that if they would ask you about the beating, you would be really calm about it, since you know you will recover, and you have had a coma in the past too, so it doesn't matter at all.

Yet, i have nothing to gain by doing so, thats why i don't go around beating people up, it brings me nothing i need.

That is the same reason why i desire green energy, to live in symbiosm with the earth. Because it is possible, and becouse i have nothing to gain by earths destruction.
I take joy in walking in forests and fields, so i wish to keep them around.

Turn it like you wish, but nuking the hell out of earth, or speeding up its destruction will bring you nothing, it will not heighten your spirit at all.
On the contrary, such selfish destruction only strengthens your own ego and lessens your spirit, at least thats what i believe selfish behaviour does.