Venger Satanis. Cult Of Cthulhu., Idiotic epistemology, acceptable strength magic, brilliant business Options

Venger Satanis. Cult of Cthulhu.
Idiotic epistemology, acceptable strength magic, brilliant business!

If you belong to those who have read the works of the sleeping prophet and found yourself invoking and evoking beyngs from beyond as an inevitable result you will probably find the words “Cult of cthulhu” slightly incongruent with words like “official pendant”, “50 buck fee” or (laugh in horror ye fans of elder lore) “Organisation”!

There is something very wrong with this. I cannot quite figure out what it is. Hm, let me think: “culth of cthulhu”, “oganisation”, “culth of cthulhu”, “oganisation”, “culth of cthulhu”, “oganisation”, “culth of cthulhu”, “oganisation” hmm, what is the problem with this, Why does it strike me as incongruent?

Anyway let us congratulate Venger Satanis on a brilliant exploitation of the ever growing number of wannabe cultists out there.

For us however this is bad news. We who are real cultists have a reputation to maintain. We are generally considered to be just slightly insane (or very insane as the case may be) and weird, and dark and evil and wicked and apt to believe nonsensical things.You know the usual perceptions as applied by hairless monkeys towards thos of us who see beyond the ordinary superfical surface of common sense reality.

Now, instead, we run the risk of being confused with the followers of Vengis. I AM ENRAGED!!!

It is not so much that Vengis is wrong. I have no problem with loads of other cultists who are wrong about basic facts about the mythos. What I have a problem with is that Vengis sets himself up as the Pope of the Catholic Church, having occupied the domain name: cult of cthulhu.net wich propagates a mish mash of the fourth way, howard philip lovecraft and anton la vey as it¨s orthodoxy.

Now, the greatest and silliest theological mistake Venger makes is the claim that Cthulhu and Satan (and Loke and Seth and Set and Kali and all other evil gods) are really one beneath the surface. This is naturally obviously only the idea of someone who missed out on the fact that his thinking made it so. Similar to a christian who percieves the world thorugh his bible and thinks that Seth ... must be something satanic – it even begins with an “S” and contains a “T”. Well, viewd through such an askew¨d view even Cthulhu becomes Satanic.

This is obviously nonsensical. As anyone who is competent with these matters knows the exact thing which makes Cthulhu & Co. Interesting is that they are transplutonic entities – i.e. that they are from OUTSIDE earlier systems of human classification.

(There may well have been early referenses in the bible by the way about Cthulhu, which were edited out. Possibly one of the sources for our genesis story did contain a propaganda myth about JHVH fighting a celapholoid monster, described as a judean distortion of CTHLVH, and winning ... yeah, right, so when the priest of our gods take a nap it is imagined to be this great victory by the volcanogods worshippers! There are still some remnants of this edited out story in Jobs book if you are curious.)

Anyways: it is pretty obvious to most intelligent people that the notion of a Satanic Cult of Cthulhu is a cntradiction in terms almost as bad as having the organisation Cult of Cthulhu.

Now then, is there anything of value here?

Yes. I have to say there is. There is actually some magic in this book. It is certainly not the strongest magic – but it is real, and if you are experienced it seems pretty harmless.

If you are a cultist, should you buy this book? No.

/Nox

This post has been edited by nox: Apr 18 2007, 03:31 PM

ok...

this Alexandros fellow was a member of the CoC forum for awhile and then finally decided to post this.

it may be incongruent or far-fetched, but perhaps the Gods of the Left Hand Path are all archetypes/representations/masks of an underlying formless black essence... an ineffable, divine consciousness that comes to societies and cultures based on preconceived notions. for example Set was known to the Egyptian peoples in a certain way just as Loki and Lucifer are imagined differently in different cultures. all godforms are relative to those who experience them.

does this guy's review bother me? no. do christians pretending to be magicians and spouting off about it bother me? kinda. hopefully people investigate and decide for themselves.

also, just wanted to say "hi" to the Sacred Magick Forums. hi.

Cthulhu Cult (also available on Amazon with proper reviews):

http://www.lulu.com/content/606582


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

Damn, it seems I am afflicted by some kind of curse so that whenever I post an unfavorable review the book's author shows up!

Hi Venger,

it seems you have me confused with someone else. If you make a search, i believe just for previous posts by me in this forum you will see quite clearly that I am hardly a christian posing as a magican :-)

Just in case you are not convinced, here goes: I deny the holy spirit! I blaspheme against the holy spirit!

I also don't know the alexander fella. Though that is harder to prove.

My review was just my spontaneous reaction as a person who has worked inside the mythos for years.

All the best
Noxlux

ah, my mistake. the person pointing out the review of my organization was extremely vague about who it was from. i assumed that he wrote it.

so, scratch the christian stuff. sorry you don't dig my Mythos vibe, nox.

by the way, did you actually read a copy of the book? if not, then what information are you basing your opinion on?


VS

Hi Venger,

of course I read a copy of your book - otherwise I wouldn't had posted a review of it!

There is an old joke about two monks debating how to properly worship god for hours, and one, attempting to end the debate goes: ok, I think we will just have to agree to disagree, you will worship god in your way, and I will worship god in his way.

All the best in your enddevours
Noxlux

and what does the second monk say to that?

VS

p.s. thanks for taking a chance and ordering my book in any case.

This is of course very funny. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

Nox next I want you to give a bad review to one of Crowleys books and lets see if he returns from the grave slightly pissed off.

lol!

Care to give us a review of your book Venger?

Care to give us a review of your book Venger?

uh, sure. how could i refuse?

Cthulhu Cult is... the nuts. it's like holding Ace King and seeing a flop like A, A, A.

ok, now back to watching High Stakes Poker.

but seriously... i like the book, it says what i wanted to say. yes, i indulge my ego, but i don't pretend i'm god or anything. merely god's best friend. i think it adds quite a bit to Mythos occultism.

just look how green my posts are! it must be awesome!!!


VS

Greetings 'Venger_,

Darn. I thought I was the only man-God on this forum. Oh well we can always make room for one more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Peace!

i just received this and thought i'd post someone else's thoughts...

CTHULHU CULT

by Venger Satanis

“The accursed writings of that dreaded cult and its ungodly practices whereby the old ones may be stirred” – Venger Satanis

The grimoire in our modern age is a rare thing – it must evoke the terrible, the darkness and unspeakable spirits of the depths, the very nightmares the public wants to banish. Yet, darkness knows what they want, the thoughts they have restricted and all that sleeps beneath the surface.

THE CHTHULHU CULT is a grimoire which utilizes the ritual paradigm of the Chthulhu Mythos of H.P. Lovecraft. A Satanic work must embody the elements of self-liberation along with the loose structure to access the powers of the individual mind. Venger’s grimoire does that. Utilizing the Chaos current, the stygian gods of forgotten time reach from the darkness and cloth themselves in names such as Azathoth, Nyarlathotep and the Great Beast of Lawlessness, Tsalal.

This work, 168 pages in length, provides a useful example of magical paradigm based in the foundations of Satanism with the tools of accepted chaos magic. For those anarchists who want to smash the dogmas of their past an embrace the elder darkness, CHTHULHU CULT is a good place to start.

-Michael W. Ford, April 2007

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Wow. This entire thread is made of lol and epic fail. I luld.

This post has been edited by WyrdScience: Apr 28 2007, 12:12 PM

and what does the second monk say to that?

Howdy Venger

the second monk replied ( I thought you knew this )

:

I agree. We shall walk our separate ways you walk your way and I walk gods.

p.s. thanks for taking a chance and ordering my book in any case.

Since I live part time inside the mythos I tend to check out every occult nec and similar stuff I can get my hands on.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) I think that after you posted mr Fords review I can also be more explicit about exactly what it is I object to in your work. I find that it dilutes the value of the cultists work to approach it from a satanic perspective.

Not that I have anything against satanism mind you. I think it is a wholesome pursuit in a christian society. It is just that it adds nothing and in fact filters out some of the value of working inside the mythos ... why would you want to wear red tinted glasses when you move into the greenish blue environment?

My recommendation is rather to approach the mythos and the GOO on their own terms. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)

Well, that is my pov. If you have any arguments in favor of approaching one system while standing firmly planted in another I am quite interested. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sport_boxing.gif)

So, anyway, since you are now a part of this thread and I am a bit critical of your work I would also like to repeat the positive part of my review: Your book does contain real magic. Not all books have that. So: Kudos for that.

All the best
Nox