Evocation In Islam Options

I'm not too familiar with the members on this forum, so I am not sure as to how users will react to my post. Being inexperienced in Islam-Magick relations, it is hard to draw the line as to what is permissible in the field of Magick when it comes to Islam. From what I have been able to muster up, It is too hard to tell as to what magick practices are permitted in Islam.

Through my understanding thus far, there are multiple ways to summon or conjure spirits. Through all the texts I have read in this field thus far I have noticed a recurring obscurity, all evocational instructions tell the conjurer to inform the spirit that it is HE himself who is summoning the spirit, with his power (or his will for that matter). This is Black Magick, am I correct?

What if one were to conjure in the name of Allah, pursuing White Magick. Islam mentions black magick in the Quran in regards to Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him). I have read many scholarly articles and have gotten various information about Magick in Islam, but everytime I fall short of what I am trying to find out. The summation of most of my endeavors leads me to the recurring conclusion that the benevolent use of magick (black magick) is prohibited but white magic is permissible in certain instances?

Any and all information appreciated.

I'm not too familiar with the members on this forum, so I am not sure as to how users will react to my post. Being inexperienced in Islam-Magick relations, it is hard to draw the line as to what is permissible in the field of Magick when it comes to Islam. From what I have been able to muster up, It is too hard to tell as to what magick practices are permitted in Islam.

Through my understanding thus far, there are multiple ways to summon or conjure spirits. Through all the texts I have read in this field thus far I have noticed a recurring obscurity, all evocational instructions tell the conjurer to inform the spirit that it is HE himself who is summoning the spirit, with his power (or his will for that matter). This is Black Magick, am I correct?

What if one were to conjure in the name of Allah, pursuing White Magick. Islam mentions black magick in the Quran in regards to Prophet Solomon (peace be upon him). I have read many scholarly articles and have gotten various information about Magick in Islam, but everytime I fall short of what I am trying to find out. The summation of most of my endeavors leads me to the recurring conclusion that the benevolent use of magick (black magick) is prohibited but white magic is permissible in certain instances?

Any and all information appreciated.

i think one needs to account for differences in definition. the Quran forbids black magic, at least according my notion what magic is black. one of the final chapters of the Quran specifically mentions "those who blow on knots" and this is a reference to sorcerers. many mainstream muslims condemn all forms of magic, although i believe this is not what God says.

prophet soloman did not use black magic, but he did have command over unseen beings. the Quran mentions 2 angels Harut and Marut descending at the time of Soloman and people learning magic from them, but God allowed it as a test. the Quran says people learnt how to sow discord between man and wife from these angels, but forbade such black magic. it says that people have wrongly accused prophet soloman of practising sorcery.

mysticism and esotoric ideas have been an important part of islam since the beginning of time.

also, according to the Quran, islam is not something new, but the faith of Abraham, Moses Jesus, Soloman etc.

God bless

Very interesting post.

I do not know much about Islam or Sufism, but in the modern Hermetic tradition and Thelema, I'd say there's a very similar idea.
From Crowley:

As was said at the opening of the second chapter, the Single Supreme Ritual is the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel. It is the raising of the complete man in a vertical straight line [to Kether i.e. union with God?]...Any other operation is black magic...If the magician needs to perform any other operation than this, it is only lawful in so far as it is a necessary preliminary to That One Work....There are, however many shades of grey. It is not every magician who is well armed with theory. Perhaps one such may invoke Jupiter, with the wish to heal others of their physical ills. This sort of thing is harmless, or almost so. It is not evil in itself. It arises from a defect of understanding. Until the Great Work has been performed, it is presumptuous for the magician to pretend to understand the universe, and dictate its policy.

Thelemapedia offers a great commentary to this:

The implication is that only magick devoted to the spiritual evolution of the individual and their attunement to the global and cosmic Will [or Allah, if Islamic] is honorable and in line with the ultimate goals of Thelema. Any magick that is self-serving or results-oriented is regarded as impure and in contradiction to the necessary evolution of the species.

I would say that these insights apply to all forms of magick, regardless of what religion one is coming from. However, things always get tricky in this area, and its not so cut and dry. How many Christian fanatics, for example, have committed horrible atrocities and behaved in the most self-serving ways, all in the name of God? In Hermetic magick, the policy is to stay in line with the Holy Guardian Angel, mediator between self and God, or the true and higher self, the divine within. This is not so easy. The ego and the lower self are always tempting one down different streets.

This post has been edited by flyingmojo: Nov 16 2007, 06:49 PM