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How About The Terror Shout?, Have a look at this. |
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Aug 11 2008, 10:28 AM
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Thanks very much ES.
That's a bit more to go on. I'll see what I can find on it.
Can I ask what book or source you get that from?
Of course, Crossley's behavior in the story is quite reprehensible, and he does get his Karmic punishment at the end - I think I'd be more sensible with such a weapon. He's quite reckless with his powers, but then that's what makes the story I guess! From what I can glean from the film, he learned the basic shout/scream from another magician, but spent years developing it further himself, until it became deadly. Unfortunately, it's also indiscriminate- everything that hears it close by and without protection dies. I wonder if intent combined with emotion and visualisation could focus it on those one means it for, and not unduly affect innocent bystanders and animals, etc.
That's what I'd prefer, but I realise when non-occultists witness a magical event, it can possibly displace their Kia, and their placement in time and space, which can result in their illness, insanity or death through the spiritual disorientation. It may not be something whose effects I could be selective with, therefore.
This post has been edited by redbreast: Aug 11 2008, 10:45 AM
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Aug 11 2008, 10:48 PM
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IN as much as anything psychological is inherently mystical, and visa versa, the shout - particularly the ability to stun people with a 'terror shout' (i'll try to find the japanese term for it, it is mentioned in ninjitsu as a paralyzing technique) - is basic psychology universal to human nature. The scream is a warning sign of danger, meant to both stun the dangerous animal attacking, and to warn others of the species that there is danger near. If you scream unexpectedly at even a terribly dangerous animal - even the ones which cannot hear, as they feel the vibrations in the air and ground - it will stop dead in its tracks and either run, or at least be stunned for a moment. The same goes with people. It is very, very difficult to maintain your concentration and focus on the task at hand if you were to, say, attack someone who suddenly released a very piercing shout. This is simply because your brain is wired to respond to it. Like a mother who hears a baby crying. It 'pulls on her heart' - because she's wired to respond to it. A father simply doesn't experience that for the same reason; he's not wired for it. He may feel hurt, or compassion, or wish he could do something, but a man cannot ever know what a mother feels when she hears that sound, because our brains simply don't allow for it. We have a different function.
Matter and energy are, of course, completely interchangeable. But, the only 'mystical' secret to the shout, in terms of it being obscure (it is mostly only obscure to 'civilized' white people, honestly) is it's execution, which must be done with complete commitment and release. You cannot be 'nervous' about yelling, you have to invest yourself into it totally. And yes, sometimes people will pass out. Can someone die? Maybe, if you startled them so intensely that they have a heart attack, aneurysm, or something similar. Unlikely in the case of a healthy person though.
In the end, all things are mystical; in the end, nothing is mystical.
peace V
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redbreast |
Aug 13 2008, 06:56 PM
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Thanks guys, I appreciate your postings.
ES, well, as I said, something strongly tells me NOT to go into my previous life, particularly the last one, if that makes any sense, seeing that I'm personally not 100% sure about earthly reincarnation- I've never felt I belonged here, I feel I was in another totally seperate world previously. Seriously, I can remember being born, I recall the big Afro-English nurse who delivered me, [and I believe newborns can't even see properly?] and I vaguely but definitely recall being forced down a tunnel, struggling and resisting, into this world against my will. I recall almost everything in my life, including being bottle-fed, nursery school, early 70's Doctor Who monsters and Pop hits, etc, and almost everything since! I've always felt different, I've never been the average Joe Bloggs.
I think I was either a bit of a serious bad guy in my last existence, or else I was somehow wrongly bullied into being here. Personally I think it's the latter, and to find out would upset me so much I might freak and seek terrible vengeance on whatever forced me here. I don't belong here at all, I've always known that: I've never felt rigidly bound by physical laws, either. But I honestly think in my case, investigating a previous existence is not good for my spiritual lessons in this one. I'm curious of course, who isn't, but I think it takes strength to leave well alone, in my case. I really do feel in my heart I'd be waking a sleeping monster.
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Trimorphia |
Aug 28 2008, 05:41 PM
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Really interesting topic, thankyou so much for posting this.
I have come across this phenomena in martial arts. Well, I've heard of it but never practised it myself. It is fairly well-recognised in the mythological and traditional canon, and amongst those who hint provocatively at higher talents and mystical knowledge (which these days is pretty much everyone who's ever taken a karate class or watched a Jackie Chan movie ;-). As I read your post I remembered that I had an odd, old clip of such a demonstration of the 'shout' by some oriental 'masters'. Dug it out - it is quite funny really (much more of a public demonstration, with layers upon layers of theatrical effect piled on - but it is quite entertaining and amusing nonetheless). I'd post it online if I was a bit more tech-savvy - if anyone wants to see it let me know how and I'd be happy to distribute.
Redbreast - I found your personal comments particularly revealing. I think you have exceptional awareness and judgement regarding your past. And you are right; it takes more strength to leave certain doors unopened, especially when one is on a path of self-knowledge and understanding, where the temptation to uncover personal and universal mysteries is so strong. Everything about your story really hit a nerve (many, many parallels to my own experiences). There are times when it is for our benefit that things are revealed to us, and likewise, times when it is better we don't know everything. I truly understand from personal experience how it is to live on the knife edge of desiring to know from whence we came, while every cell in our various bodies tells us that those doors are best not fully opened just yet. Funny thing, that.
And your choice of avatar? Well, that's an interesting one........!
(And just wanted to add; vagrant dreamer, I love that comment "in the end, all things are mystical; in the end, nothing is mystical." Nice.)
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