Pazuzu Is Out Of Commision For Awhile, Don't summon him. Options

Please do not attempt to summon or call Pazuzu for awhile. My friends and I shut him up in the Bottomless Pit with Divine Assistance, and the gods have promised that in return, a cure for AIDS is on the way. Please let the sleeping dog lie for the foreseeable future so that we can get this vital medicine out into the world. If you absolutely insist on working with him, use the ritual for communicating with a dead god (I think its in the Urilia text).

Thank you for your patience and cooperation.

Although I am sure that in the work and this message you meant well, the necronomicon is a book available in several different languages, and in every part of the civilized world. The likelihood that no one else in the world will attempt to summon pazuzu seems a bit of a stretch.

Although I am not entirely skeptical of the idea that an entity of that magnitude can be sealed away, as it were, my experience with the mechanics related to non-physical beings and consciousness across a large area tends to suggest that it would be an endeavor much greater than just you and your friends, divine assistance or otherwise - the divine is in you, me, and all other living beings, and although an entity may be given the proper environment in which to manifest itself more 'directly' in the material world, the greater part of their involvement must be understood from the context of the cultures which first named and worked with/against these beings.

Zeus does not just throw thunderbolts, he is the storm; Artemis does not simply bless the hunt, she is the hunt; Athena does not simply purvey wisdom, she is the substance of wisdom. Pazuzu is not just the giver of disease, he is sickness, disease, decay. When an ancient village was stricken with a plague, they may very well have either appeased Pazuzu or warded against his influence through another god, however the act of sealing him away from a village all together would be a community effort, lead by the priest/priesthood of the locals. Even appeasement was a community effort, hence the ritual and even celebration surrounding things like human sacrifice, etc.

As long as people expect sickness, as long as they 'wish' sickness on others out of anger or perhaps even jokingly (and people do), as long as we accept that sickness is possible and see any particular disease as 'incurable' or 'unstoppable' - humanity will continue to keep Pazuzu not only free, but thriving. And so with other entities of disease, who in my opinion are only the associated names of the same ultimately archetypal element of universal consciousness (not necessarily 'human' consciousness).

If you want to gain the favor the summerian/babylonian gods, I would think the best way to get them to do favors would be to entreat them as their original worshipers did, and that should not be an option to anyone who thinks of them self as a just, moral, or humanitarian individual.

peace

Please do not attempt to summon or call Pazuzu for awhile. My friends and I shut him up in the Bottomless Pit with Divine Assistance, and the gods have promised that in return, a cure for AIDS is on the way. Please let the sleeping dog lie for the foreseeable future so that we can get this vital medicine out into the world. If you absolutely insist on working with him, use the ritual for communicating with a dead god (I think its in the Urilia text).

Thank you for your patience and cooperation.

You're so cute! I just want to squeeze your little cheeks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/roflmao.gif)

You're so cute! I just want to squeeze your little cheeks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/roflmao.gif)

Agreed. In the case of anyone who thinks they'd be capable of binding Pazuzu, "cute," is pretty much the perfect word. ;-)

I've seen Pazuzu a number of times now, recently awsell. The first time was when I was lying in the police station cell (I'd been arrested for possession of cannabis). It was about 3am and I had only eaten half a sausage roll throughout the whole day and I won't eat the food they offer lol so I was quite hungry and cold and I couldn't sleep very well knowing the police were on their way to search my premises. When I tried to close my eyes for some rest I saw him, it was just the upper half of his body, it was like he was waving with his hand up the way it is depicted and his mohawk, he was just like the statues. I have no idea why I saw this but about a week later while I was 'mentally' preparing for my court date I saw him again, I think it had something to do with the hightened levels of stress and I hadn't had a decent spliff for atleast 4 days which is rare for me because I managed to maintain a routine of having atleast 1 spliff every night. I just don't know why I saw him, maybe he has attached himself to me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
What I know of Pazuzu and i'm not sure its correct but Pazuzu has something to do with disease and plague. Maybe that can go with the plaguing of the mind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif)
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This post has been edited by al_zaine: Feb 7 2009, 08:20 AM

I've seen Pazuzu a number of times now, recently awsell.

I have to wonder, actually, why Pazuzu was the specific entity chosen for The Exorcist.

I had heard that the film was meant to be based on a true story, but I didn't think Pazuzu was supposed to be involved with that particular case. It also doesn't make much real sense to use him in the film from a Judeo/Christian perspective, either; Pazuzu is a godform in another religion, and surely Judaism has a sufficiently complex demonological system of its' own that they could have come up with a more recognisable entity from there?

The other thing that bothers me about the film is that in it, Pazuzu was supposedly summoned via the use of a Ouija board. I can remember reading elsewhere here that generally the more big league (and negative) an entity is, usually means the harder it is to summon. If that's true, I find it very difficult to believe that a being as powerful as Pazuzu could be summoned simply by a Ouija board.

As yet a third point, why would Pazuzu voice blasphemies/profanity that was specifically relevant to Catholicism as a specific religion? Pazuzu, if I'm not mistaken, was Babylonian. To me it would make a lot more sense that if he was going to scream at someone, he would use phrases that were relevant to that religion, not Christianity as such.

Maybe I'm clueless, though.

Babylonians didn't make the film. To a christian, all demons are from the same place.

peace

Babylonians didn't make the film. To a christian, all demons are from the same place.

peace

Vagrant,
To me that makes it even more of a puzzle, though; when it comes to demons, Pazuzu isn't exactly world famous. (Well, he might be now, but I'm assuming he wasn't the most well-known demon around before the movie)

Hence, surely there'd be a lot more, less obscure demons that they could have chosen. Even if not the Goetia itself, from memory the GV contains some that would be more than sufficiently nasty for their purposes.

I'd certainly be interested to know exactly why Pazuzu was picked for the role, but later on Linda Blaire's character claims to be possessed by Satan himself, supposedly, I suppose, equating Pazuzu with satan, another common historical christian theme.

It may be because of the statue - perhaps the writer/producer of the movie was particular informed or at least did his homework, or maybe even was familiar with the simon necronomicon, which mentions Pazuzu - the book did come out, I believe, before the movie. The statue certainly makes for an imposing figure to include in the film. And if you're going to show that sort of thing, you certainly have to back it up or the film loses credibility and the audience can no longer suspend their disbelief.

Was the movie based on a book? I'm not sure on that point but it would explain some things. Authors tend to do more research than script writers, on average, as literature is more difficult to pull off i think. A movie is a spectacle and just has to be visually captivating to carry even a mediocre story, whereas literature requires a great deal more finesse on the part of the author. And of course, the less of a spectacle a movie is, the more interesting the story has to be.

There are a lot of deaths and accidents associated with the making of the movie - I have wondered since my education informed me of Pazuzu's historical significance, if there might have been some invocation of the demon's presence due to the making of the movie. Nobody took their demons and gods more seriously than the ancient people - ever since the age of reason religion has largely taken on a role of social significance more than the life-or-death knowledge it used to be.

Hmmm... many questions. Some of the answers may be included in interviews with the makers, though I'm not keen to track those down just now.

peace

Please do not attempt to summon or call Pazuzu for awhile. My friends and I shut him up in the Bottomless Pit with Divine Assistance, and the gods have promised that in return, a cure for AIDS is on the way. Please let the sleeping dog lie for the foreseeable future so that we can get this vital medicine out into the world. If you absolutely insist on working with him, use the ritual for communicating with a dead god (I think its in the Urilia text).

Thank you for your patience and cooperation.

Nice work!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/11/health.hiv.stemcell/

This post has been edited by TheOneTrueFred: Feb 12 2009, 02:05 AM

While promising, the treatment is unlikely to help the vast majority of people infected with HIV, said Dr. Jay Levy, a professor at the University of California San Francisco, who wrote an editorial accompanying the study. A stem cell transplant is too extreme and too dangerous to be used as a routine treatment, he said.

This is a surprising occurrence, but not one that is entirely new. And don't forget...

"About a third of the people die [during such transplants], so it's just too much of a risk," Levy said.

and...

Researchers including Hutter agree that the technique should not be used to treat HIV alone. "Some people may say, 'I want to do it,'" said Levy. A more logical -- and potentially safer -- approach would be to develop some type of CCR5-disabling gene therapy or treatment that could be directly injected into the body, said Levy.

I don't mean to make it seem like I personally want to poo poo on the possibility of a magical 'push' on this matter - but there have been dozens of cases of people remarkably cured of HIV in the past ten years or so which were documented and put on the books. However, it always seems to be by accident, as a side effect of other dangerous therapies, or in some such way that the cause of the cure is somehow indeterminable.

This is going to sound callous, but in my personal life, when I've done magic for some purpose, and the results seemed somehow warped - giving me what i want without really changing anything, including the source of the deficiency in the first place - I've found that often there's something I'm not looking at the right way. Sometimes I'm just not 'pushing the right buttons' as it were, and my approach is just inefficient, and sometimes there's something more going on that I could only call destined or cosmically ordained. I have to simply turn and face it, let it run its course, and recognize what this 'problem' really is, which so far is 100% of the time a very necessary period of change that simply had to happen, as part of a larger picture of what I in reality want my life to become. My evolution, if you will, directed by my own will no less. I've heard the same story from other people as well.

What I'm saying is, maybe we won't find a cure for HIV. Maybe we're not supposed to. Maybe some diseases are meant to test us as a species, and ultimately evolve us to be more resilient, more effective life forms. People are being born with various natural defenses against HIV infection. Mutations like that are the foundation of evolution. If those without the mutation are one day outnumbered by those who do have it, HIV may become a moot point.

If you want to engender the help of an entity to help 'find a cure' for HIV, consider another approach. Consider first of all entities that are 'alive and well' as it were in this day and age. Look for the modern Gods of mankind, the archetypal beings rather than their archaic names. Seek to inspire the intellect of man, instead of bashing away at the archetype of disease. You don't ever really overcome any enemy by force, but by cunning subversion - we don't need to defeat disease, we need to know more about how it works, we need more key discoveries.

I'm all for doing magic to rid the world of such deadly diseases, if it's cosmically ordained no amount of magic will change anything. Let's just take a moment to reconsider the nature of the problem and consider a solution that utilizes what we already have, rather than manifesting something from nothing.

Let's also keep our heads on our shoulders and be objective when evaluating results. This article is not at all a cure for HIV, and it doesn't claim to be - it says one man was mysteriously cured as a byproduct (possibly) of a therapy for leukemia. A therapy which has not conclusively worked yet, which is very dangerous (mortally dangerous), and cannot be performed on just anyone (requires a compatible donor with this specific gene which only about 1-3% of white [and hypothetically white-mixed] people of european descent have.) The odds don't favor a cure here. Another piece of the puzzle? Maybe.

peace

What I'm saying is, maybe we won't find a cure for HIV. Maybe we're not supposed to. Maybe some diseases are meant to test us as a species, and ultimately evolve us to be more resilient, more effective life forms. People are being born with various natural defenses against HIV infection. Mutations like that are the foundation of evolution. If those without the mutation are one day outnumbered by those who do have it, HIV may become a moot point.

I also personally tend to believe that society actually needs STDs, including lethal ones. They regulate what would otherwise be, in at least certain people, completely unrestrained sexual behaviour.

I'm not trying to be a prude here at all, but I'm inclined to believe that there are at least some people on the planet for whom STDs are their only incentive for any form of sexual moderation at all. I knew a homosexual man a number of years ago who had completely unrestrained, drug augmented orgies in his loungeroom on an almost nightly basis. He later died ostensibly due to a heroine overdose, but I would tend to see that as merely one side effect of a completely anarchic lifestyle...he went totally off the rails.

One of the things which Sri Ramakrishna, one of Kali's more famous devotees, wrote about, was that while (in simplistic terms) there were broadly two forms of worship, (one involving renunciation in a number of different forms, and the other involving various forms of excess, including sexual) the latter form, which he referred to as the heroic path, while potentially yielding much faster results, was exceptionally dangerous.

The homosexual man I mentioned earlier at times spoke about having adopted Ganesha as his God of choice. Ganesha is a deity who, according to some sources, is associated both with homosexuality, (someone else who knew this man said that earlier in his life, he had a girlfriend and exhibited signs of heterosexuality) and tantra as well. I'm inclined to believe, then, that this man used worship of Ganesh as license to engage in an extreme form of sexuality, and went too far as a result.

It makes me think, then, that entities like Pazuzu at times perform a vital ecological role, in terms of being disciplinarians, also such as Saturn. Pazuzu might really not be very nice, and we might not like him very much, but disease, in terms of sexuality, and the populations of both humans and animals, does work towards maintaining a balance...it takes all kinds. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/respect.gif)

Although mind you, that's definitely not to suggest that I want him turning up in my bedroom in the middle of the night any time soon, either. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif)

This post has been edited by Petrus: Feb 12 2009, 11:08 PM

Please do not attempt to summon or call Pazuzu for awhile. My friends and I shut him up in the Bottomless Pit with Divine Assistance, and the gods have promised that in return, a cure for AIDS is on the way. Please let the sleeping dog lie for the foreseeable future so that we can get this vital medicine out into the world. If you absolutely insist on working with him, use the ritual for communicating with a dead god (I think its in the Urilia text).

Thank you for your patience and cooperation.

I just had another thought. I'm not saying I'm ever going to do it, but if I was feeling completely suicidal, one candidate for evocation for me would actually be Pazuzu. Simply because I'd want to set the record straight in my own head as to what he is really like, as opposed to all the various stuff about him that is floating around.

Of course, it's entirely possible that he's 100% as bad as he was depicted as being in The Exorcist, and then some, which means he's really not someone I'd want to have around.

I tend to find, however, that in the case of things that I'm afraid of, (and I will admit, I am afraid of him, or at least have been in the past) I eventually get to the point where I want, if not confrontation as such, then at least an attempt at contact, desensitisation, integration, and closure.

I also personally tend to believe that society actually needs STDs, including lethal ones. They regulate what would otherwise be, in at least certain people, completely unrestrained sexual behaviour.

I'm not trying to be a prude here at all, but I'm inclined to believe that there are at least some people on the planet for whom STDs are their only incentive for any form of sexual moderation at all.

This is absolutely true, and I've met several people who have said things like, "I'd have sex with him, but you never know what people have these days," and, "Thank god for condoms or I'd probably have so many diseases..."

However, the STD as punishment argument usually is countered with, what about people who get STDs from blood transfusions (hardly ever happens any more), or from their parents when they are born, or who get raped and contract it from their assailant, etc. What did they do to deserve punishment?

My answer has always been, "Your actions affect more people than just yourself. If we as a race don't actively recognize and subsequently solve problems like these, then we as a race suffer the consequences."

You know the easiest way to eliminate HIV forever? For every single infected person to stop having sex. For the sake of the rest of the human race. Now, obviously not everyone who is infected knows, but imagine if everyone who was infected and knew, stopped having sex all together. And every time someone else realized they were infected, and everyone they had to make that terrible phone call to, also stopped screwing, eventually the numbers of infectees would dwindle and finally disappear all together. It probably wouldn't take that long, maybe a decade or so, before HIV became a rare condition.

But, human beings are selfish, pleasure seeking creatures who will knowingly sacrifice another person's health if it's the only way they can get off. Not all of them, mind you, but enough that it makes a difference. Those people have no sense of responsibility to mankind whatsoever in my opinion. I have had over a dozen friends to date die of HIV, and I have several more who are infected currently. Only one of them has become celibate in order to ensure that under no circumstances does he increase the number of infected people. Of course, he believes in reincarnation, so he's not as concerned about the idea that "I have this one life and i want to live it pleasurably."

Meh. If everyone on earth was on the same page, imagine the things we could solve and accomplish.

peace

While posting the link in response to the OP might have been a bit facetious on my part (timing - I stumbled across the thread almost immediately after reading the article), I do believe that this line of research is the most promising, and blatantly obvious path to eventually curing HIV, and probably a host of other ailments. Some of the most significant advances against disease in the modern age have come from exploiting immunities that developed in nature (the vaccine, the antibiotic). The goal of actually transferring an observed resistance from one person to another directly has the potential to be a much more fruitful endeavor than the multi-billion dollar boondoggle that the last few years of research have amounted to.

These guys weren't just in the right place and right time to do this, this seems to be the direction the research is going now that they've completely given up on a vaccine:http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/02/hivtreatment.html

The fact that its actually worked in one person, at least to the extent they can credibly say it has worked, is a major milestone for this research, and its come very early compared to other attempts. And to be fair to the OP, he did say the cure would just be "on the way." I'm confident it now is.

I agree that it is on the way, but a cure is an inevitability. We simply need the time to do the research and learn more about the subject matter. I cannot accept an inevitability to be proof of magical effect. If I do magic for rain and it begins raining the moment the final movement of the ritual is completed, then I can accept that as magical effect - if it rains one week later, I cannot accept that as magical effect, unless I asked for rain at that particular time.

The research mentioned in that article has been ongoing for two years, and is only just being reported because of these findings. The immunity has been known about for more years than that, although it is not a complete immunity - even people with both genes can still contract the rarer, less pandemic strains of HIV. Using stem cells in this manner has been on the table for a long time, however in the US at least, stem cell research is severely limited due to Christian preference on this soil.

So all that I am saying is, let's give appropriate credit where it is due, keep an objective view about magic that is balanced with our subjective experiences. Reason and Faith in balance - the holy grail as far as some people are concerned - is important with magical practice, otherwise we never learn what does and doesn't work, we overlook the reasonable answer for the magical one, and become egotistically inflated.

I'm not knocking your interest in the subject, I'm glad you stumbled upon that article, I might not personally have found it otherwise, and I agree that any success like that is a great milestone, and helps us learn more about the problem as a whole. But, I (and hopefully many others) have been following this issue closely for many years, and cures for diseases are the only things I give money to when I can. Every year, we find little pieces of the puzzle. I'm glad they found another one, but I don't believe that it has anything to do with this particular magical intention, except to the degree that all of our collective hope, prayer, meditation, and magic ultimately effects our development as a race as much as it may or may not.

peace

I agree that it is on the way, but a cure is an inevitability. We simply need the time to do the research and learn more about the subject matter. I cannot accept an inevitability to be proof of magical effect. If I do magic for rain and it begins raining the moment the final movement of the ritual is completed, then I can accept that as magical effect - if it rains one week later, I cannot accept that as magical effect, unless I asked for rain at that particular time.

From a magickal perspective, there probably is an entity associated with the AIDS virus, though, and for some reason I don't think it's Pazuzu, either. I do however think it is moderately powerful, but less powerful than Pazuzu, and also a lot less ancient.

(I use the term AIDS because I'm old enough to remember that that is what it was originally called, and truthfully I feel as though HIV is a politically correct euphemism, for some reason)

To me though, magick/spirit basically deals with the realm of causes, in the sense that for as long as the AIDS entity/spirit is around, it is potentially going to block any attempts to cure the disease it represents. We probably also need to consider the possibility that, as has already been discussed, the AIDS spirit has higher spiritual authorisation to actually be here and do its' work, in order to provide catalyst for people to become more sexually responsible.

To me though, that would be the first step towards subsequently finding a cure in mundane terms, so I do think the OP had the right idea in a sense.

a) Perform divination to determine whether or not we are working with divine will in combatting the spirit.

b) Once we know we have a green light, develop a ritual to either imprison or disrupt the spirit. We might also need to put together some related workings to remove any entities associated with other mundane blockages to finding a cure; unwillingness on the part of pharmaceutical companies, and so on.

I do not hold the perspective that either magickal or mundane efforts in isolation are necessarily sufficient to cause problems. Rather, the two tend to be concerned with problems in their respective spheres. However, since astral space is, as I have said, generally held to be the realm of causes, it makes sense to me that we try to make sure that the astral angle is clear before we attempt mundane effects in such areas.

Using stem cells in this manner has been on the table for a long time, however in the US at least, stem cell research is severely limited due to Christian preference on this soil.

The need for prudent ethical considerations in regard to biomechanics is a point on which, to some extent, I concur with Christian groups, Imperial. Ethical considerations must be taken for related activities, for many of the same reasons that ethical considerations must at times be taken when creating servitors. We are, in essence, talking about creating new life, and we cannot suppose that when we do so, using it in the manner that we would a mere machine, is in any way appropriate. The risk of dehumanisation and ultimately, our annihilation as an entire species is very real, and present if we were to do so.

So all that I am saying is, let's give appropriate credit where it is due, keep an objective view about magic that is balanced with our subjective experiences. Reason and Faith in balance - the holy grail as far as some people are concerned - is important with magical practice, otherwise we never learn what does and doesn't work, we overlook the reasonable answer for the magical one, and become egotistically inflated.

This is wisdom.

I'm glad they found another one, but I don't believe that it has anything to do with this particular magical intention, except to the degree that all of our collective hope, prayer, meditation, and magic ultimately effects our development as a race as much as it may or may not.

That is why I suggested either divination or possibly some other form of introspection first, to attempt to determine divine will in the matter. If AIDS and its' related entity have divine authority to continue their work, all of our possible workings will be impotent.

This post has been edited by Petrus: Feb 17 2009, 02:55 AM