Help, i would like a little help from you all... Options

i dont know if this is posted in the right place, but i would really appreciate it if my more powerful acquaintances on this site would please find the time to do a little spell for me. i plan on going into the marines soon, but my life isn't taking the right direction. i need motivation. i need discipline. i need the motivation and direction to get through the rest of school, to become physically fit, to deny the things that are bad for me, and to either find my soulmate or come to terms with the fact that i might have to wait for her to come into my life. i'm poor, my trucks an absolute piece of shit( about to die on me actually), i'm depressed, and i realize that i don't have the power to fix everything at once. maybe that's a bit much to put into one spell, but if any of you could help me i would not only greatly appreciate it, i would be indebted to you. i could do some minor spells for whoever decides to help me. those of you who know you could help, please consider it. (vagrant dreamer, if knowledge is power, your help would be AWESOME.) and again, please. obviously i don't expect everything to be done for me. if you have any spells or tips for spells or just life in general i would appreciate that as well. herbs, stones, talismans, mantras, anything you can think of for me. even if you don't do anything for me, thanks for at least reading this.

ah, suffering! - the curse of duality, and the illusion of mundane comfort and wealth

no spells, since only you can fix you - even suicide is useless because you will reincarnate into the same impossible circumstances

realize that what you think you desire (money, love, etc) is dictated by the illusions spun by those who want you to buy what they are selling you - the right girl, the right beer, the right car, debt and leveraging you debt, a house and a mortgage, wedded bliss, fighting, war, conflict, resolution, closure, insurance, burial, heaven, a final death of the soul - all are illusions of mundane comfort - they don't exist but they exert tremendous pressure on your mind to conform and submit and go along with the illusion - it makes me sad sometimes seeing people buying into the illusion so wholeheartedly, thinking that is what life is about

determine what it is your true self, the eternal soul awareness that is the real you, wants you to be doing - i would suggest the simplest form of all self-hypgnosis, delving deep into your subconscious looking for the meaning of this new incarnation of yours - you have a task to perform, simply determine what it is by asking yourself while in hypgnosis - it may not be very well formed yet as some of the players might not even be incarnated yet, but you can get the general idea

develop a second self that does what the subliminal instruction means for you to do (which is what most magicians do, that way they can still function within the illusion)

or go for it and rebuild yourself utterly to be what your subconscious is telling you to be, but the illusion will resent that and try to stop you at every turn

This post has been edited by esoterica: Nov 23 2009, 09:17 AM

What kind of magickal system do you want?
Theurgic, Enochian, Kabballah, Bön, Shinto and Taoism, or simple basic sorcery
Spells can't fix everything but the problems you've evoqued are quite common

i believe in all forms of magick so it doesn't really matter to me what kind of spell is done. esoterica, you really gave me something to think about. thank you both.

develop a second self that does what the subliminal instruction means for you to do (which is what most magicians do, that way they can still function within the illusion)

or go for it and rebuild yourself utterly to be what your subconscious is telling you to be, but the illusion will resent that and try to stop you at every turn

these two methods intrigue me.

could you please delve into more detail?

i dont know if this is posted in the right place, but i would really appreciate it if my more powerful acquaintances on this site would please find the time to do a little spell for me. i plan on going into the marines soon, but my life isn't taking the right direction. i need motivation. i need discipline. i need the motivation and direction to get through the rest of school, to become physically fit, to deny the things that are bad for me, and to either find my soulmate or come to terms with the fact that i might have to wait for her to come into my life. i'm poor, my trucks an absolute piece of shit( about to die on me actually), i'm depressed, and i realize that i don't have the power to fix everything at once. maybe that's a bit much to put into one spell, but if any of you could help me i would not only greatly appreciate it, i would be indebted to you. i could do some minor spells for whoever decides to help me. those of you who know you could help, please consider it. (vagrant dreamer, if knowledge is power, your help would be AWESOME.) and again, please. obviously i don't expect everything to be done for me. if you have any spells or tips for spells or just life in general i would appreciate that as well. herbs, stones, talismans, mantras, anything you can think of for me. even if you don't do anything for me, thanks for at least reading this.

There is no difference between diligence in magic and diligence in 'mundane' affairs. The principles are the same on any part of the spectrum: Prioritize, set goals, make plans, follow through. There really isn't much of an arcane secret to any of it, save the fact that the true nature of willpower is discovered through their application.

It's a funny thing really because we think that willpower is what will give us the necessary follow-through to execute our 'will' effectively, when it's actually the other way around. However, there is a perspective that might be useful for you.

There are degrees of magical training and aptitude. We can think of our first dabbling as 'novitiate', and all it requires of us is that we open our mind and give it a try. Lighting candles, making up poems, collecting an assortment of basic herbs and magical tools, all of this requires of us a certain degree of faith and commitment that we give easily enough if we're interested in the first place. We make paltry sacrifices at this level to 'try it out' as it were.

There's a level beyond that, though, where the costs become a little greater and the commitment required might actually start to press out patience. Anyone can enter into the novitiate level of magical practice, it's a sort of catch-all for everyone. The next degree of initiation - we're talking universal initiation here, to be clear, not lodge work or some such - is where you're at now. It's the same principles but with a wider application. Now, you can use what you picked up in that first level, but to follow through you need a greater mastery over commitment, patience, diligence, and focus.

Now matter how many problems you have now, or how far reaching they are in your life, you currently have at your disposal far more options than you probably realize. What you need to do is list for yourself everything you need to accomplish in the short term (don't set too many long term goals just yet), what problems are most pressing, and start prioritizing which ones need your attention first. To each priority, each problem you percieve, give a separate space and list what tools you will need to overcome them. I don't mean candles, herbs, athame, etc., I mean in terms to inner qualities.

For finishing school, for instance, you just need patience and focus. Study, stick to your schedule, complete assignments. School should be your first priority. Finding your soulmate should not even be on your list right now - you're young, and if you have all these issues now then you're not ready to meet her anyway, it will never work out if you haven't got some degree of mastery over your life. That's a hard thing to hear but the fact of the matter is no matter how compatible you are with a person you are still both human and you have human concerns until you transcend, and transcendence requires mastery.

Fixing a truck, or getting a new one, requires money, and there's only so many ways to get that - most of them involve hard work. Balancing school and a full time job seems like a heinous amount of work, who would want to do that? Well, frankly, tons of folks, myself included. Until you're in the thick of it, it seems impossible but trust me when I say it isn't, and you'll have more free time than you think. This set of circumstances will teach you hard, hard work. Sacrifice, sweat, persevere. I don't know what kind of school you're involved in now, but if it seems like too heavy a load to bear, you could always drop to part time if you're in college. Don't think about how long it will take, just think about completing it. Don't think about how much money you need to fix your truck, just figure out how much you can put away and start saving.

In all of this, if you want to involve magic, then start thinking about the most effective way to apply it. Don't think about it in terms of "I need a money, I'll do a spell to get money." Think, "I have a job, I need more hours." Figure out what it is realistically going to take to get what you need in these situations and apply magic to help direct yourself towards attaining those things. This is the part where you learn how to actually use magic, not just play with it.

There is no magic that is going to make you more motivated, or more patient, or anything like that - those things will enhance your magic, and have to be built purposefully, a step at a time. There are times in life when all you can do is work hard and exert yourself. It's that kind of exercise in life that make your will strong.

It sounds daunting, it sounds difficult, and time consuming. It is. It doesn't sound as fun as lighting candles or utilizing the arcane secrets of creation to bring out prosperity in your life - but every mage worth their salt had to do it at some point or another. The most basic elemental 'hedge magic' is a right, everyone can do it. The real secrets have to be earned, no one can teach them - they can't be taught in the first place, and you wouldn't be able to use them without the requisite mastery over yourself anyway.

The problems you listed aren't that bad. Muscle up and go forward, when you're on the other side you'll laugh at yourself for thinking you needed help in the first place.

I have faith in you, and there are others in your life that do as well. That's all the magic you need from anyone else.

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Nov 24 2009, 10:37 AM

Indeed, I agree with Vagrant. He pretty much said all I wanted to say and more. Instead of focusing on spells needed to motivate and discipline you; work on your inner self. Work on that which is required for success (NOT magick). Alot of people come to magick cuz they think it'l answer all the questions and solve all their problems. But that is wrong. Magick will only enhance the skills needed for whatever you need them for; it can also bring happiness, contentness self love and spiritual fulfilment. It can also however by the help of spirits, assist you in obtaining material goods such as money, girl/boyfriends etc. But I think you have to mantain a degree of adepthood to successfully evoke spirits and command them ( in the name of God of course) to do biddings for you.
The trick to overcoming obstacles in life is to superimpose your persona over your weaknessess and blot them out by chanelling and charging your soul with positive and empowering energy. If you want to discipline yourself then you can actually work outside the field of being a marine and focus on each aspect of your life and apply it with discipline. Have cold showers, if your have an unhealthy habit then find a way (by searching inside yourself) to quit it (such as smoking). Punish yourself in various ways so as to discipline and strengthen the outer texture of your soul. Just all around apply discipline throughout every aspect of your life and in turn, when it comes to accomplishing your goals, you will be much better equiped to pursue them.

Good Luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I kind of ran out of time before, so let me amend/continue here...

realize that what you think you desire (money, love, etc) is dictated by the illusions spun by those who want you to buy what they are selling you - the right girl, the right beer, the right car, debt and leveraging you debt, a house and a mortgage, wedded bliss, fighting, war, conflict, resolution, closure, insurance, burial, heaven, a final death of the soul - all are illusions of mundane comfort - they don't exist but they exert tremendous pressure on your mind to conform and submit and go along with the illusion - it makes me sad sometimes seeing people buying into the illusion so wholeheartedly, thinking that is what life is about

determine what it is your true self, the eternal soul awareness that is the real you, wants you to be doing - i would suggest the simplest form of all self-hypgnosis, delving deep into your subconscious looking for the meaning of this new incarnation of yours - you have a task to perform, simply determine what it is by asking yourself while in hypgnosis - it may not be very well formed yet as some of the players might not even be incarnated yet, but you can get the general idea

Esoterica makes a good point at the heart of the matter on a cosmic scale - my advice, however, would be that through mastery over mundane things in life, we learn how unimportant they are, and the realization, if we want it, arises naturally at this point. In other words my suggestion is to keep this in mind, but focus on learning to plan, persist, and execute. Even to sit and meditate until gnosis occurs requires this basic ability to sit down and stick with it until it happens. The hard way is to sit down right now and do this. It will take a long time that way, unless you really don't care how long you will have to sit (you more than likely do, for instance, what do you have to do tomorrow? Next week? When will you need to eat/drink next? See?) The easy way is the long way, oddly enough.

develop a second self that does what the subliminal instruction means for you to do (which is what most magicians do, that way they can still function within the illusion)

or go for it and rebuild yourself utterly to be what your subconscious is telling you to be, but the illusion will resent that and try to stop you at every turn

These are also good suggestions. Here is the fine print, however. In the first case you eventually have to resolve the two selves. The more different they are the more trauma is involved with that, and in most cases one or the other wins out - usually not the 'second' self and then what have you got? We're attached to who we are, you see, and developing attachment like that to a second version of Self is very difficult, most people simply aren't capable of it I think. Those that are were probably mentally loose (we'll say, flexible?) to begin with.

In the second case, she's absolutely right, but it's the only absolutely sure-fire way. You have to view that other self, the one with all the bad habits, as an enemy that you must enter into combat with and defeat.

There's a line between these two, though, and I often use this particular method. I'm not suggesting it's perfect for everyone but...

You might consider allowing the parts of yourself you do not like to begin manifesting as a separate personality, at first 'imaginary' which on the particulars of each habit voices it's opinion at each opportunity to indulge that habit.

So, for instance, lets say you want to start a fitness routine. So, tomorrow morning you've decided "I'm going to get up at 6am, stretch, drink a big glass of water and then go run for 30 minutes before I take a shower." Immediately part of you is already thinking "Oh no I'm not, I'm going to be tired at 6am, I'm going to stay up until 1am." Instead of just thinking that in the back of your head, and identifying with it, drag it out of the subconscious all together, and confront it as a separate individual. At first this just takes dialogue - Instead of allowing yourself to think in the first person like before, and then feeling ashamed and pushing it into your subconscious where you can forget about it and give it control (just like a sigil, actually... funny that...) think it 'out loud' in the second person. "You are not, you're going to be tired at 6am because you're going to stay up until 1am." Then it's a dialogue, and you can respond - "It's my body, it's my decision. It's ten pm now and I'm going to bed." Then follow through, go to bed. If you don't, give that personification voice to call you on it.

This is tricky. And I'm not going to suggest it's 100% safe, there could be dangers involved. The point, though, is to keep these self defeating thoughts from sinking into the subconscious where they can do a lot more harm. If you're arguing with another 'voice' internally then you are engaging something consciously and you still have some degree of conscious control. That voice can even give up, if you want it to, or assent, and give you a sense of accomplishment or pride for having proven it wrong. It can chide you when you fail and encourage 'revenge' of a sort. Then, when you have finally defeated one particular habit, you can 'banish' that thoughtform entirely by willfully negating the habit with feeling. (normal people do this and they're crazy, magicians do it and they're just utilizing dynamic multi-perspective self-association).

And now, a warning.

Of course the obvious could happen - you could lose, and this thoughtform could become the incarnation of all of your bad habits and then become an oppressive force which drives your worst qualities into the extreme and ruins you as a person. What's life without risk, hm? However, it works by your rules, and you can assign a specific sigil of sorts, I suggest something you can wear or handle in some way, an artifact if you will, that you can turn to if/when this 'thoughtform' begins to gain some independence, something to which it will be programmed to react adversely to. This way, when this thoughtform begins to gain independence, you'll have some defense/control over it through this protective artifact.

So, to explain this is rather step by step terms (you did want a spell so I thought a more proactive 'magical' option my give you some room to wiggle a bit).

First, pick one habit. Assert for yourself that you are going to defeat this negative habit, you must supplant it with an opposite positive habit (this is the only way, its a brain thing). If you are lazy, do hard work; if you eat indiscriminately then plan your meals strictly; if you shirk school work, assign a time that you will sit down and finish it before you get up. Only one habit for now.

Immediately assign a voice, not a name, to that 'bad habit'. Let it speak for itself. You'll have to talk for it at first, just switch the negative first person voice to a negative second person "you this, you that". Never let negative thinking be in the first person, always let positive thinking be first person, "I do this, I do that". Confront that second person negative thinking but don't be ashamed - it's not 'me' thinking it, it's 'him'.

Engage your habit. Let's say school work. You know you need to sit down at 4pm when you get home, to execute your assignments. You think positive, "When I get home I will sit down and do these assignments." (sorry, i dont' know what kind of school you are engaged in, you get it though). That negative second person voice chimes in, "But there's a show coming on TV, you don't want to miss it! You can do your work at 5:30 instead." You are in charge here. "No, If I get involved with TV I'll end up putting it off, I need to do it when I get home." The voice insists: "Tomorrow you can do it as soon as you get home, today just put it off an hour and a half, you can still get it done." You say, "No. That's a bad habit that I need to fix. It's not going to kill me to miss that show. I'm doing my work when I get home." The voice says, "Okay..."

Then you get home and you lay your books out. THe TV is in the corner: "CSI is on right now, you can still see how it starts. maybe you've seen it before, you can check." You say, "No, I can watch it later, I'm going to work now." It says, "You can work and watch TV at the same time, it'll be fine." You: "I need to focus, this is the end of this discussion." Voice: "You know you want to turn the TV on."

At this point you introduce the symbol of power over this habit. The voice changes tones now, and promises to keep quiet, to leave you alone if you'll just put the symbol away. In the first stage, you're the one making all the talk on both sides. The divide hasn't formed yet. So this voice will be subjugated by that symbol if you make it so. Every time you need to put an end to it's seduction, pull out that symbol, or draw it, etc. I suggest something static, because later on if you don't draw it just right it might not work. Serious business.

I suggest slowly assigning each bad habit to the SAME voice. One day, it'll gain independence. How long depends on how flexible your mind is. 21 days, probably, or thereabouts, if you engage it every day. Let it hang around for another 40 days then, maybe more but probably not less. There's a kind of 'weaning' period where you could still just 'make it gone' if you wanted to. You really want to let it get to the point where a simple act of will won't get rid of it.

Then you want to do battle with it one last time. Meditation, full ritual evocation, dream work, sigilization and burning. But to do that, you need to know from the beginning that this entity has a name - you just don't know what it is. Don't give it one, resist the urge entirely to name this being. Instead, when it has reached independence from your mind, but is still confined there, threaten it with it's control symbol until it says its own name. You can then use that name to gain power over it and destroy it. Or, for that matter, evoke it and bind it in a phylactery I suppose. Congratulations, you've just birthed a classical demon. Or possibly incubated an existing demon, at some point the line just kinda fades away.

It's slow, but faster than systematic self-mastery, and dangerous, but safer than doing nothing and wasting all of your time. You can do it in 90 days if you have a really flexible mind, it might help to start on a new moon and recognize it's independence on the full moon. It'll be strong, but if you fail miserably before the full moon you can just start over no harm done. you only get so many tries though before it won't just go away, so I suggest winning the first time around.

So, there's a bit of magic for you if you wan the fun, engaging, non-muggle way to try and accomplish these things. Remember, our lifestyle is composed of habits - good habits and bad habits. There are no in betweens where we don't have any habits. Those places are areas already covered by other more general habits (Generally one is lazy - it's not a habit to always avoid helping mom do the lawn, but it is a habit to avoid hard work out of laziness.) So in anything you feel is wrong, it is because there are bad habits at work there, you have to target the habit. One day you can worry about transcending habits and all that, but you aren't there yet so for now focus on making good habits. Engaging habits makes us feel good - whether they are good habits or bad ones doesn't matter. Break bad habits and make good ones to replace them, and the good habits will make you feel just as good as the bad ones. Better even because you won't have the backlash response of shame because you 'wish' you could change them.

peace

ah, suffering! - the curse of duality, and the illusion of mundane comfort and wealth

no spells, since only you can fix you - even suicide is useless because you will reincarnate into the same impossible circumstances

realize that what you think you desire (money, love, etc) is dictated by the illusions spun by those who want you to buy what they are selling you - the right girl, the right beer, the right car, debt and leveraging you debt, a house and a mortgage, wedded bliss, fighting, war, conflict, resolution, closure, insurance, burial, heaven, a final death of the soul - all are illusions of mundane comfort - they don't exist but they exert tremendous pressure on your mind to conform and submit and go along with the illusion - it makes me sad sometimes seeing people buying into the illusion so wholeheartedly, thinking that is what life is about

determine what it is your true self, the eternal soul awareness that is the real you, wants you to be doing - i would suggest the simplest form of all self-hypgnosis, delving deep into your subconscious looking for the meaning of this new incarnation of yours - you have a task to perform, simply determine what it is by asking yourself while in hypgnosis - it may not be very well formed yet as some of the players might not even be incarnated yet, but you can get the general idea

develop a second self that does what the subliminal instruction means for you to do (which is what most magicians do, that way they can still function within the illusion)

or go for it and rebuild yourself utterly to be what your subconscious is telling you to be, but the illusion will resent that and try to stop you at every turn

^^^^
this!
what she said.

what if you dont know what the source of your problem is?
what if you know the problem but not what's causing it
what then vagrant?

what if you dont know what the source of your problem is?
what if you know the problem but not what's causing it
what then vagrant?

Try to avoid overcomplicating your problems. Most problems are remarkably simple, but we feel justified in having them by making them more complicated.

The source of laziness is an inability to appreciate hard work. The source of poor eating habits is usually just a lack of discipline - I'm generalizing here, before anyone jumps down my throat about complex issues surrounding eating disorders, etc.

If you want to know the source of your problems, first look at them honestly. Are you really identifying the problem for what it is? Are you making it mysterious because you don't want to face the simplicity of it? Complexity means it may not be your fault. It can mean that you aren't equipped to solve your problems. It can mean you need help, but just don't have access to that help. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to suffer with them until my circumstances change.

Don't try to tackle all of your problems at once. Prioritize them, then approach them one at a time. Be diligent, isolate them completely - don't try to solve your eating habits and exercise habits at the same time, pick one or the other (these are just examples) - and they will not seem as complicated or difficult.

What problem do you have, that you don't know what is causing it? It's a vague sort of thing to ask.

peace

i know it's a really foolish and stupid and common problem
and i am stupid for continuing to pursue it but...

I've liked many girls before,
what straight man hasnt?
but i met a girl who really hit me hard,
but she wont even give me a chance
and now she has a boyfriend

it really sucks
and all girls do it too,

idk why i am so unattractive to the oppisite sex

also, i didnt even do anything wrong and everyone started hating me at the same time >:O
what gives?

but that's a seperate problem

uhhh u could just read my post *luck and charisma
but i kinda ramble on in it

well u may feel like it's a huge waste of time but uhhh
maybe u could do it to show me how *useless* interpersonal relationships are

This post has been edited by davisxmonster: Nov 25 2009, 04:41 PM

i know it's a really foolish and stupid and common problem
and i am stupid for continuing to pursue it but...

I've liked many girls before,
what straight man hasnt?
but i met a girl who really hit me hard,
but she wont even give me a chance
and now she has a boyfriend

You will more than likely be rejected by more romantic interests than you will be accepted by. I suggest you get used to it and simply don't take it personally when someone doesn't respond to you the way you want them to. There's no reason to get bent out of shape over something like that. Why on earth would you want to be interested in someone who doesn't show you the same interest in return? I'll bet you there is someone showing interest in you that you are ignoring in kind. This is the odd little cycle of life in the teenage world.

it really sucks
and all girls do it too,

Now don't generalize, you haven't met all girls. It does suck, but you just have to shrug it off and work on things you can directly control. Worrying about whether girls will like you or not is pointless - make yourself a better person, and things like 'charisma' will follow on their own.

idk why i am so unattractive to the oppisite sex

Because you don't fit typical standards of attractiveness that govern most of our perceptions about what is likeable and what isn't. You can either strive to fit those standards, or just give the middle finger to superficiality and know that you will meet a person, a very worthy person, one day who won't be bound by those stupid rules.

also, i didnt even do anything wrong and everyone started hating me at the same time >:O
what gives?

but that's a seperate problem

Hating you? Are you being bullied at school? Is someone actively seeking to sabotage you in some fashion? Hate is a strong word, teens use it a lot, but it's a very serious word. If you mean that you don't get enough attention from your peers or that they treat you with disinterest, that isn't the same thing as hate, and you shouldn't see it as the same thing.

uhhh u could just read my post *luck and charisma
but i kinda ramble on in it

well u may feel like it's a huge waste of time but uhhh
maybe u could do it to show me how *useless* interpersonal relationships are

I did read it, I read every post that is made on this forum, I just don't respond to everything all of the time. Also, you've been playing the same song since you got here and I've pretty much said all i can really say on the subject. Interpersonal relationships are not useless, they serve a wide variety of uses depending on what kind of a person you are.

I wasn't born yesterday, and I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who so blithely ignores the response, advice, and consistent display of interest and care that you have recieved since you got here. If only you could shrug off your social difficulties with the same ease that you shrug off the suggestions and help offered to you on the forum, most of your problems would be solved I think.

peace

thanks vagrant
lol
i found something i can do

and yes
i literally mean hate.
like my friends boyfriend forbade her from talking to me
and ANOTHER friend's did the same thing

which is really weird because until recently they were some of my best friend's and i didnt do anything to them

THAT.... was a lot of reading. but it was very good advice. i'm already schizophrenic, so associating my bad habits with a different persona should be easy. although i get this feeling that if my will isn't strong enough i may have a bit of a schizophrenic episode.... but i doubt it.

>>i may have a bit of a schizophrenic episode

of course vagrant's right, the idea is to eventually reunite the two selves, a'la inanna and eriskigal, and become the reconciliation of the extremes

lol some of us view our negative aspects as just character, not character flaws

and one last thought: those who enjoy life as non-judged experience view life as a roller coaster - without the downs there would be no ups and the roller coaster would just be some stupid train

indeed so...