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tynody
post Sep 10 2010, 10:03 PM
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Firstly, HELLO!
Hopefully I can grow from everyones experience and knowledge, and hopefully help someone also.

So I am very new to Magick.
I was hoping someone could explain the different forms of magick to me.
I would like to find something that fits me, but (maybe due to incompetence or just not knowing what to look for) i can't seem to find a cut and dry list of the differant orders of magick.

I have started to read "Modern Magick: Eleven Lessons in the High Magickal Arts" and I also have Fries Visual Magick, and Liber Null & Psychonaut. To be quite honest I have no idea what I am reading. To try and start I picked up The Golden Dawn tarot today at my local Occult store.

So what are the different forms of magick?
What is Chaos Magick? What is Ceremonial Magick? What is Witchcraft? What is High Magick? What is Sorcery?
Do these have anything similar? Are they very differant? How would one begin with the Tarot? Is the Tarot involved in any magick "spells" if you will, or just Divination of grey magick?

Please help point a new fawn toward the herd.

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post Sep 10 2010, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(tynody @ Sep 10 2010, 11:03 PM) *

I was hoping someone could explain the different forms of magick to me.
I would like to find something that fits me, but (maybe due to incompetence or just not knowing what to look for) i can't seem to find a cut and dry list of the differant orders of magick.

I have started to read "Modern Magick: Eleven Lessons in the High Magickal Arts" and I also have Fries Visual Magick, and Liber Null & Psychonaut. To be quite honest I have no idea what I am reading. To try and start I picked up The Golden Dawn tarot today at my local Occult store.

So what are the different forms of magick?
What is Chaos Magick? What is Ceremonial Magick? What is Witchcraft? What is High Magick? What is Sorcery?
Do these have anything similar? Are they very differant? How would one begin with the Tarot? Is the Tarot involved in any magick "spells" if you will, or just Divination of grey magick?


Hey Tynody! Welcome!

The best way I've found of understanding the different schools of magick has been by studying magick's history of development. You can learn about this in brief by referring to John Michael Greer's "The New Encyclopedia of the Occult," and especially by tracing the references between the articles. Reading about the Golden Dawn, for instance, you'll see references to occultists who founded their own movements based on the Golden Dawn, such as Dion Fortune, Israel Regardie, and Aleister Crowley. Similarly, you'll be referred back to persons and movements that inspired the Golden Dawn (these in turn inspiring other occult movements before and after). Since any article you read is inevitably connected to many other articles, eventually you'll be lead to see the differences and connections between the schools of thought. This will give you a good intellectual understanding to at least move in the direction you want to move.

In general, occult thought is like any other discipline, with various interpretations that disagree to a certain extent but also influence and reference one another. Because so much material is shared between disciplines, there are also many fundamental similarities between schools.

I love Donald Michael Kraig's book, "Modern Magick," and think it's a great introduction to magick in general. The orientation is based on the Golden Dawn model, but I think this is fairly compatible with most other schools of magick. And Kraig's newest edition of the book makes even greater reference to different schools of magick that have many similarities with the G.D., such as Chaos magick and Wicca.

I'd say DMK's instructions for learning to work with the tarot in MM are a pretty good way to start. Yes, the Tarot can be used for purposes other than divination, e.g. for path-working exercises on the Tree of Life.

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post Sep 11 2010, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(monkman418 @ Sep 11 2010, 01:00 AM) *

Hey Tynody! Welcome!

The best way I've found of understanding the different schools of magick has been by studying magick's history of development. You can learn about this in brief by referring to John Michael Greer's "The New Encyclopedia of the Occult," and especially by tracing the references between the articles. Reading about the Golden Dawn, for instance, you'll see references to occultists who founded their own movements based on the Golden Dawn, such as Dion Fortune, Israel Regardie, and Aleister Crowley. Similarly, you'll be referred back to persons and movements that inspired the Golden Dawn (these in turn inspiring other occult movements before and after). Since any article you read is inevitably connected to many other articles, eventually you'll be lead to see the differences and connections between the schools of thought. This will give you a good intellectual understanding to at least move in the direction you want to move.

In general, occult thought is like any other discipline, with various interpretations that disagree to a certain extent but also influence and reference one another. Because so much material is shared between disciplines, there are also many fundamental similarities between schools.

I love Donald Michael Kraig's book, "Modern Magick," and think it's a great introduction to magick in general. The orientation is based on the Golden Dawn model, but I think this is fairly compatible with most other schools of magick. And Kraig's newest edition of the book makes even greater reference to different schools of magick that have many similarities with the G.D., such as Chaos magick and Wicca.

I'd say DMK's instructions for learning to work with the tarot in MM are a pretty good way to start. Yes, the Tarot can be used for purposes other than divination, e.g. for path-working exercises on the Tree of Life.


Thank you for the reply (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I will go read through Modern Magick.
I can't seem to find a scan of The New Encyclopedia of the Occult" so I may have to just go buy it ><
Thanks for the suggestions!

Just now me and my best friend did 2 readings following the 15 card spread in the manual included in the deck.
My reading was quite great.
I asked "Will continuing working with magick be fruitful?"
He drew me these cards

-Center-
9 of Wands
-Details of my Question-
4 of Swords | The Fool
-Possible alternate path. in this case stopping-
King of Cups | 7 of Pentacles | 8 of Cups
-Natural flow. Continuing my studies-
3 of Swords | Queen of Wands | Temperance
-Assisting me in my decision-
9 of Pentacles | Ace of Pentacles | King of Wands
-Uncontrollable. Must adapt too-
4 of Pentacles | King of Swords | Prince of Wands

I was able to get the answer to my question - continue my study because it will bring me enlightenment, but I will have to confront my family (mother in particular) which i have been worried about recently (both magick and with college things) which may lead to tears but ultimately temperance.
If I stop, I will gain money (perhaps material things), and continue just following my college education and not spiritually developing, but i will feel empty and pretty bad.
The only problem I have interpreting are the bottom 2 parts.
The bottom left i interpreted into - Just following my money/material goals will leave me empty.
The bottom right i interpreted into - Money/Material things won't be an issue, its inevitable I will find a decent job and to not worry about material things as much.

Would this sound like a good reading or am I off?

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post Sep 11 2010, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(tynody @ Sep 11 2010, 01:04 AM) *

Would this sound like a good reading or am I off?


Probably both on and off, I'd echo Kraig's advice to record your tarot reading in a journal and to refer to it later-- at which time you might see things you didn't see when you first made the reading. And this will help you to learn to work even more fruitfully with the cards. But you're off to a good start!

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“We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special."
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post Sep 11 2010, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(monkman418 @ Sep 11 2010, 10:17 PM) *

Probably both on and off, I'd echo Kraig's advice to record your tarot reading in a journal and to refer to it later-- at which time you might see things you didn't see when you first made the reading. And this will help you to learn to work even more fruitfully with the cards. But you're off to a good start!


Thanks for the advice. I have actually recorded the past week of dreams and activities in a journal of sorts.
Got a head start it seems (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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