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Hey All,

As you can see this is my first post so be gentle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rule.gif) .

I tried for years to find a good place to talk about this with someone capable and after seeing the posts and answers around here I quickly decided this is the perfect spot.

I must tell you something that happened to me when I was younger which made me believe there must be something else out there.

I recall my experiences quite clearly and these are as follows:

- First of when I was about 5 or 6, I was sitting at my table with 2 other persons around me and eating, it was around 6-7 o'clock PM. All of a sudden my eye got fixated in an average point on the table and after a few seconds it was like I was looking inside of me, I felt my neck bent like you would when looking at your shoes and saw...my soul? It was a steam or white fire, it moved like it wanted to "wear the meat suit" more comfortably. The space between "my soul" and the rest was black. After I don't know how long, I came to and was very startled.
I don't know what to make of it, do you think I really saw my soul? I mean that's how it felt like but...really?
- After the above episode, I was in the same place in my kitchen and while hearing my mom speaking with someone I kinda relaxed and stared at the same table (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) and found myself after a few seconds outside my body, looking at myself...I was together with 2 other persons I think at a kind of balcony with glass and looking at the whole kitchen. I always thought this was an OBE but now, when trying to exercise to have an OBE or astral projection I can't...
Was it an OBE, can they be so spontaneous?
- Finally after a year or two I started having premonitions, when I say premonitions I refer to a bass sensation in my chest like a ball or a sphere of energy pulsating with different intensity... I have them still with no change, they let me know with 24h ahead of every big disasters. I feel a strong intermittent beat which goes on for 5-15 beats, depending on how big is what's coming. I have them for good things but mainly for the bad ones. I had these premonitions prior to almost every earthquake over 6-7 degrees Fahrenheit, 9/11, etc...
Can I do something to enhance these premonitions and are they related to my prior experiences?...Anyway I meditate with every chance I get and I tried to concentrate and "look inside" me again or at my premonitions but to no avail...

Thank you and I hope it wasn't very boring, I want to start my path in magick and I am looking for a teacher actually (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) but I will document myself further and come back here for impressions or problems.

Have a great day

This post has been edited by Spliff77: Apr 19 2011, 06:31 AM

Hey welcome to SMF.

I would say experiencing an OBE like that is completely possible. One time I had a headache and when I laid down I accidentally astral projected ha. It has only happened once so I guess even though it's not common it happens. About your "premonitions" I suppose they could or could not be real I don't know what to say as far as validating your experience but I would question whether or not it even matters. To me, and I think most serious magicians, I think the important factor is whether you can reproduce the desired effect at will. For example what good is it to say "I have lifted my right arm" if it only happens sporadically? It is a good conversation piece but not of much value magically, except that you have experienced the experience you want to reproduce, which in itself helps a great deal.

I'm am positive that I have had "premonitions" twice recently but I have the bad habit of not writing down my dreams (which is how I experienced them). Unfortunately I have no idea how to work on this way of, literally, seeing the future so I can't really comment on how to go about developing it. I doubt many people could except in a broad conceptual way.

I guess what I would say is to not focus on any experiences except the ones you have produced (or induced I suppose) yourself at will. Accidental experiences are probably negative since they reflect a mind which is out of control in some way. But don't take that as negative! Just work on it a bit. I believe the most important part of progressing in magic is repetition regardless of results. The probability of you producing a result will go up over time until you have a 100% rate of reliability in normal circumstances.

Goodluck!

This post has been edited by ☞Tomber☜: Apr 19 2011, 05:11 PM

Hey welcome to SMF.

I would say experiencing an OBE like that is completely possible. One time I had a headache and when I laid down I accidentally astral projected ha. It has only happened once so I guess even though it's not common it happens. About your "premonitions" I suppose they could or could not be real I don't know what to say as far as validating your experience but I would question whether or not it even matters. To me, and I think most serious magicians, I think the important factor is whether you can reproduce the desired effect at will. For example what good is it to say "I have lifted my right arm" if it only happens sporadically? It is a good conversation piece but not of much value magically, except that you have experienced the experience you want to reproduce, which in itself helps a great deal.

I'm am positive that I have had "premonitions" twice recently but I have the bad habit of not writing down my dreams (which is how I experienced them). Unfortunately I have no idea how to work on this way of, literally, seeing the future so I can't really comment on how to go about developing it. I doubt many people could except in a broad conceptual way.

I guess what I would say is to not focus on any experiences except the ones you have produced (or induced I suppose) yourself at will. Accidental experiences are probably negative since they reflect a mind which is out of control in some way. But don't take that as negative! Just work on it a bit. I believe the most important part of progressing in magic is repetition regardless of results. The probability of you producing a result will go up over time until you have a 100% rate of reliability in normal circumstances.

Goodluck!

Hey Tomber,
Thanks for the reply, you may have nailed it...if I think better the out of balance mind is a good explanation for the OBE's at the time. Regarding the premonitions I need to study more about energy and maybe get more serious with meditation, but as you said as long as it's not something controlled or fully understanded it's not a priority. How did you know which path in magic you feel more comfortable with? I have in front of me many ways but I find myself questioning which is the most appropiate one...I want to be in touch with the nature more and develop knowledge from higher beeings...so invoking comes to mind. What do you know of EA or Angels?

This post has been edited by Spliff77: Apr 19 2011, 10:39 PM

Hey Tomber,
Thanks for the reply, you may have nailed it...if I think better the out of balance mind is a good explanation for the OBE's at the time. Regarding the premonitions I need to study more about energy and maybe get more serious with meditation, but as you said as long as it's not something controlled or fully understanded it's not a priority. How did you know which path in magic you feel more comfortable with? I have in front of me many ways but I find myself questioning which is the most appropiate one...I want to be in touch with the nature more and develop knowledge from higher beeings...so invoking comes to mind. What do you know of EA or Angels?

I pretty much agree with Tomber. I had a similar experience that led to my occult studies, the only way I could describe it was a sudden feeling of "divine bliss" that I used to get for no reason. I then crafted a way of using this feeling and invoking it at will for magick and got pretty good results. My point being, study all of the aspects of these premonitions and especially how they feel, then try to have more of them by using the memory of the previous ones. As for entities, I suggest reading through several grimoires to find out which ones speak to you, I know enochian spoke to me from the first line I read about it. But the traditional archangels (Michael, Gabriel, Raphael) are pretty easy to work with just with a fervent prayer (and maybe their seals) alone.

This post has been edited by ComaOfLoss: Apr 20 2011, 02:13 AM

I pretty much agree with Tomber. I had a similar experience that led to my occult studies, the only way I could describe it was a sudden feeling of "divine bliss" that I used to get for no reason. I then crafted a way of using this feeling and invoking it at will for magick and got pretty good results. My point being, study all of the aspects of these premonitions and especially how they feel, then try to have more of them by using the memory of the previous ones. As for entities, I suggest reading through several grimoires to find out which ones speak to you, I know enochian spoke to me from the first line I read about it. But the traditional archangels (Michael, Gabriel, Raphael) are pretty easy to work with just with a fervent prayer (and maybe their seals) alone.

Hey,
Thanks for your answer, you may have just gave me the guidance needed for my first steps. I've tried to invoke my premonition at will but had no notable success. As for enochian I found it most interesting from the first time I heard about it but also the most difficult. I tried focusing and praying at my gurdian angel and Ariel came to mind from the first second, do you know anything about him? I'm really going to try and contact Ariel if possible or some of the archangels, where did you find the right prayers or are there any such praiers? I will look for them, I'm just asking you because you said you managed to contact them.
Thank you

This post has been edited by Spliff77: Apr 20 2011, 10:46 PM

Hey,
Thanks for your answer, you may have just gave me the guidance needed for my first steps. I've tried to invoke my premonition at will but had no notable success. As for enochian I found it most interesting from the first time I heard about it but also the most difficult. I tried focusing and praying at my gurdian angel and Ariel came to mind from the first second, do you know anything about him? I'm really going to try and contact Ariel if possible or some of the archangels, where did you find the right prayers or are there any such praiers? I will look for them, I'm just asking you because you said you managed to contact them.
Thank you

I found the ones you write yourself to work best, ymmv. The Keys to the Gateways of Magic: Summoning the Solomonic Acrhangels and Demon Princes by Skinner & Rankine lists a few prayers and seals for invocation. None for Ariel though. The exact same seals and invocations can be found in A Treatise on Angel Magic by McLean.

What I could find (from the book Complete Magician's Tables) was from the listing of the 72 angels of the Shem ha-Mephorash, Ariel being number 46, ruling between degrees 226-230, helps find hidden treasure, dominates night-time visions, influences difficult solutions.

For a quick fix of other info, wikipedia is your friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Edit: And since you're new to all of this, proceed with caution, care and be always the sceptic towards peoples views on the subject and entities you encounter. Even if "god himself" descends from heaven to tell you to do something, always keep a rational doubt with yourself. Especially if an entity appears without you calling for him/her to appear.

This post has been edited by ComaOfLoss: Apr 21 2011, 03:14 PM

I found the ones you write yourself to work best, ymmv. The Keys to the Gateways of Magic: Summoning the Solomonic Acrhangels and Demon Princes by Skinner & Rankine lists a few prayers and seals for invocation. None for Ariel though. The exact same seals and invocations can be found in A Treatise on Angel Magic by McLean.

What I could find (from the book Complete Magician's Tables) was from the listing of the 72 angels of the Shem ha-Mephorash, Ariel being number 46, ruling between degrees 226-230, helps find hidden treasure, dominates night-time visions, influences difficult solutions.

For a quick fix of other info, wikipedia is your friend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Edit: And since you're new to all of this, proceed with caution, care and be always the sceptic towards peoples views on the subject and entities you encounter. Even if "god himself" descends from heaven to tell you to do something, always keep a rational doubt with yourself. Especially if an entity appears without you calling for him/her to appear.

Thank you very much for the info and listing of book names, I will begin my research and begin with the ones you recommended. I looked after Ariel, but forgot about wikipedia (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif)
That is a great piece of advice, it's difficult to keep the balance sometimes between skepticism and embracing something you never encountered before but posting here and listening to advice will give me a better angle.

Thanks again and I wanted to ask you, do you use this kind of magick? And if so how do you feel about it, is it rewarding? I've read angels and archangels are pretty fast responding entities but am wondering if they give you a sense of peace when they appear or are they...cold?...I'm asking because some say they don't quite like us, some say they love us... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

To me it entirely depends on the entity. Not all angels are the same, or even benevolent. Some demand a lot more respect and are stiffer to work with, some are very laid back. Just like people. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

To me it has been very rewarding, but it's always a good thing to ask yourself why do you want to do this? What is the goal you're working for and why do you feel this is the only way to achieve it?

This post has been edited by ComaOfLoss: Apr 25 2011, 07:49 AM

To me it entirely depends on the entity. Not all angels are the same, or even benevolent. Some demand a lot more respect and are stiffer to work with, some are very laid back. Just like people. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

To me it has been very rewarding, but it's always a good thing to ask yourself why do you want to do this? What is the goal you're working for and why do you feel this is the only way to achieve it?

I understand, but I wanted to ask you how about your guardian angel? Did you manage to invoke him/she? I tried last night through prayer and invocation from "A Treatise on Angel Magic" but nothing for now.
Although last night when I went to bed I was hearing a low resonance humming sound...I tried to ask and demanded to know who is there because I felt a presence but no answer and after I said the banishing phrases the sound stopped and the feeling was gone...it was kind of freaky, I saw nothing but felt it, and it was a bit scary to be honest.
My goals are simple, good by nature and it is the only way I can achieve them, yes...Right now I really wish to invoke my guardian angel and I will work on that until I'll get it right...any advice on the technique I should use? Don't get me wrong, I will study but I also appreciate a good advice (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . Hope it's not against any rules around here...

Thank you ComaOfLoss for everything.

Well, I have my own ideas on what a guardian angel exactly is, so I don't want to influence you so as not to ruin your development. (imo there's no right or wrong way when dealing with mythology, so telling my ideas would only be preaching my own paradigm to you).

As for an actual evocation ritual of your the Guardian Angel, I'm not too familiar with those. The only one I can think of from the top of my head is the Abramelin ritual, but that's a bit too much for a beginner (or an experienced magician for that matter! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) It's a 6 month long purification ritual (or 18 months if you read the new translation) which culminates on you having contact with the Guardian Angel and evoking all of the demonic Kings (starting from Lucifer and Satan) and binding them to your will with the aid of the angel, thus removing their influence from your life.

I can try to dig more to see if I find something.

Edit: I had pretty bad experiences with sleep paralysis when I was starting out. It's good to establish a relationship with a protective entity (like the archangel Michael for example) and have some sort of image of it in your home, if for nothing else but for psychological reasons. The insecurity of the unknown can cause stress and anxiety that you should address.

This post has been edited by ComaOfLoss: Apr 26 2011, 03:34 AM

Well, I have my own ideas on what a guardian angel exactly is, so I don't want to influence you so as not to ruin your development. (imo there's no right or wrong way when dealing with mythology, so telling my ideas would only be preaching my own paradigm to you).

As for an actual evocation ritual of your the Guardian Angel, I'm not too familiar with those. The only one I can think of from the top of my head is the Abramelin ritual, but that's a bit too much for a beginner (or an experienced magician for that matter! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ) It's a 6 month long purification ritual (or 18 months if you read the new translation) which culminates on you having contact with the Guardian Angel and evoking all of the demonic Kings (starting from Lucifer and Satan) and binding them to your will with the aid of the angel, thus removing their influence from your life.

I can try to dig more to see if I find something.

Edit: I had pretty bad experiences with sleep paralysis when I was starting out. It's good to establish a relationship with a protective entity (like the archangel Michael for example) and have some sort of image of it in your home, if for nothing else but for psychological reasons. The insecurity of the unknown can cause stress and anxiety that you should address.

This is very interesting, from what I can understand it's easier to contact archangels than our birth guardian angel (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . The ritual does seem like a very complex one, hope to be ready for it someday though. If something pop's out please let me know. The experience startled me and I will establish a relationship although right now I don't know how...Is prayer and a picture all that I can do or could I use seals and invocations? I'm thinking about a talisman of Michael for protection...I'm realizing, as I'm typing that I have no idea on what to do next and hoping I'm not wasting your time...I should read more before I post...
Can I begin with the books you mentioned in earlier posts or what do you recommend? I keep reading about Crowley online, how do you feel about him and he's writings?

Thank you.

Yeah I haven't really looked into the subject of guardian angels in grimoires, maybe someone with more knowledge will chime in.

Always take things you read on an internet forum with a grain of salt, the protective entity way was just something I found useful, mainly for an ease of mind. You may not need one at all. LBRP usually is enough to purify your space.

The self written short prayer and a seal worked for me, you may want to follow the instructions in the grimoires if this doesn't work for you.

You could contact Michael to ask him for a way to make a talisman and for his blessing for it.

As for books, just read everything you find interesting, I've always found at least something useful from the books I've read. Not very familiar with Crowley besides some of his enochian work, sorry

This post has been edited by ComaOfLoss: Apr 26 2011, 10:32 AM

Yeah I haven't really looked into the subject of guardian angels in grimoires, maybe someone with more knowledge will chime in.

Always take things you read on an internet forum with a grain of salt, the protective entity way was just something I found useful, mainly for an ease of mind. You may not need one at all. LBRP usually is enough to purify your space.

The self written short prayer and a seal worked for me, you may want to follow the instructions in the grimoires if this doesn't work for you.

You could contact Michael to ask him for a way to make a talisman and for his blessing for it.

As for books, just read everything you find interesting, I've always found at least something useful from the books I've read. Not very familiar with Crowley besides some of his enochian work, sorry

Hi, I still didn't get a chance to experiment anything yet, I'm currently reading some more but I wanted to ask you something else. My fiance, is having great problems with "The Evil Eye", if that is what is happening...As far as the symptoms go this is what it leads me to believed. I made a small research online and most dispelling rituals include salt and water in a bowl and rinsing the face...I haven't tried that, what I do is say prayers and make a cross sign on the forehead, yawn my jaws out, but what I need is to make a protection spell or a cleansing/dispelling ritual to protect her for future situations.
Can someone please tell me if they came upon something that could help?

Thank You,