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Does the paradigm revealed through the Necronomicon offer one a "path" for a practitioner to walk that is akin to pursuring The Great Work?

If so:

What is it?
What is happens to a practitioner while engaging it?
What is the results from a practitioner completing it?


I ask that question (and the collaries) because I suspect that more exists with regard to dealing with the various Powers referenced in that book - beyond merely calling up Elder Gods and other sundry entities for the sake of satisfying mundane desires.

I have been reading the Necronomicon by Simon and doing some research on it. I am about half done reading it and I understand most of it, but two things from the early part of the book make me wonder. The first is, When the use of the symbolls carved on the stone at the begining is dicribed it dose not mention overlaying them such as on the front of the book, do the overlayed symbolls have the same effect? The second thing is about that stange grass, I have read all over the web the best I can find is olieribos. Is that what it is?
Any help would be great, I thank you all

Olieribos, yah, that's the one noone really gets, but everyone seems to be content with using common nettle. I say the whole thing is symbolic, sacrificing to the watcher, so any dry grass that burns should suffice. Of the overlaying of the symbols I have no idea, if it's just a fancy gimmic or not. Anyone seen the cover of the first edition?
Personally I don't think getting too caught up in those three symbols will amount to much.


-thief

I thank you for your help, but I have read that the corect grass must be used or the watcher may turn on the summoner. If others have used nettles with sucsess I will trust in that.

I sent you the PM regarding Oliberos, as far as the symbols go, they all have potent powers though it matters not if they are overlayed on one another.

The grass is symbolic though you must be careful. Here is an example: Lawn Grass may be used to great effect, though if one were to use marajuana, the watcher would attack them.

1. The Gates of the Necronomicon
2. That all depends on the practicioner and wether or not they follow the instructions on how to walk the gates. If they do as described, they would go through various mental, emotional, and physical "life lessons" so to speak much akin to pathworking in the Kaballa. If they do not follow the described instructions...best case scenario is that they would end up with a LOT of mental problems, worst case scenario is that possible death or insanity can occur.
3. They would idealy cross the abyss and abolish their EGO as well as gain knowledge and power over each gate.

Why would marajuana cause the Watcher to atack? I would think that lawn grass would not work. Do you know why this is?

Do be honest ive no idea lol but this is the experience of some of the magickians that ive talked to.

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This post has been edited by DollHouseKitty: Aug 13 2005, 08:17 PM

Has anyone used Phalaris arundinacea (Reed canary grass) with sucsess?

Can't say I've ever used it, but it is a weed back home! I can tell you that if you don't control it, it likes to take over everything.

That was my useless (or not, for people who want to grow from seed) post.

1. What is the word for the paradigm revealed by the Necronomicon?

2. What is the appropriate term for one who practices this system?

3. Is there a cosmological map that reveals the layout of the places where the various entities of the Necronomicon reside? Can such a map be constructed from considering where each of the Gates lead?

4. How are the entities indicated by the Necronomicon related to each other? Is there some form of structure that governs those entities' interactions with each other? Any sort of hierarchial order based upon abilities, sequence of their origination, etc..?

5. Have the entities of the Necronomicon provided information regarding the cosmos in which they dwell, their origins, destinies, etc...? Can they do so? Or are they just granters of abilities and changers of reality based upon what they are commanded to do according to the will of the practitioner?

6. Have any tables of correspondences been made that provide further insight to the skills of those entities?

7. What is the practitioner in relation to those entities? Master, servant, food, enemy, etc..?

8. After this lifetime, what happens to the practitioner? Does one become the plaything of Necronomiconic entities one bossed around during this lifetime? Does one move beyond their sphere of influence, taking abilities gained from galavanting through the Gates, and progress to other places withinthe cosmic scheme for continuing growth adventures elsewhere? Does one come back to this world? etc...


(Edited because of a glaring syntax crossover problem with two questions.)

This post has been edited by Praxis: Aug 14 2005, 10:04 AM

ill be glad to answer these questions tonight my friend

Hello... Good to see a part of a forum dedicated to the Nec. My question is how many of you have actually used a full Simon Necronomicon setup like Crown of Anu, Copper Dagger,Frontlet, and the like? How many of you have subsitituted? Thanks for reading.

I have but I am unsure how many on the forum has.

Greetings
Love your site and just Dl ed the necronomicon tapes.
Simon describes an alter and at your site you say the mandal is inside(much like the circles in the old grimores) of the circle
so the question is is the alter(with images of thy god and goddess) inside of the
circle or outside .
If inside if you will a pic of the arrangement will help me a lot.


Nebo

I am only beginning on the path of the necronomicon and as such am no expert, but I do believe that the alter is where you are, inside the circle as you are to stand at the alter.

I do not beleive the placement of the altar is of vital importance. Personally I have placed it within and without the circle although I find it much easier to place it outside of the circle near the edge in order to facilitate movement within the circle. I have found that if you keep it within the circle you cannot complete circular actions easily and you are not able to see the entire edge of the circle in order to visualize it and charge it.

Very good point, I had forgotten that there was no direct interaction with the alter, that it is more of a focal point. If you do not mind my asking, what working from the book are you undertaking?

I believe the alter is supposed to go in the center of the circle, but this would be a little tricky when walking the gates etc. I myself have never used an alter with the Nec rituals. I draw out the circle and stay close to the ground and keep all my tools on the floor around me.

Well thank you all so far.
My opinion was outside the circle and with the foor plan of the room I use as a circle that how it will be.

Nebo

inside the circle facing north...if walking the gates, have a really big circle with room for all of it

Ashnook

Since I want to begin Nec work soon I would like some advice on optional tools used in other people's early stages with Nec work. Even though I'am looking for tools I guess I will wait for the time being since I'am broke, and I like Ashnook's post in occult forums about how the right time will come when your ready(Damn dude your a great writer). So any suggestions is appreciated.

Since I want to begin Nec work soon I would like some advice on optional tools used in other people's early stages with Nec work. Even though I'am looking for tools I guess I will wait for the time being since I'am broke, and I like Ashnook's post in occult forums about how the right time will come when your ready(Damn dude your a great writer). So any suggestions is appreciated.

All you need is a strong will and the Necronomicon picks its own. Many have tried to discredit the book only to find out how powerful the magick really can be. I represent my mighty MOTHER HUBUR, so let the book guide you.

Since I want to begin Nec work soon I would like some advice on optional tools used in other people's early stages with Nec work.  Even though I'am looking for tools I guess I will wait for the time being since I'am broke, and I like Ashnook's post in occult forums about how the right time will come when your ready(Damn dude your a great writer).  So any suggestions is appreciated.

All you need is a strong will and the Necronomicon picks its own. Many have tried to discredit the book only to find out how powerful the magick really can be. I represent my mighty MOTHER HUBUR, so let the book guide you.

I agree,

The book will guide you in your journey and point you in the right direction when you begin working with it. For starters, you should obtain a dagger that you use specifically with the Necronomicon, create the four directional gates (North, south, east, and west) tablets (you can use posterboard), and the amulet on page eleven (cardboard and a silver pen do wonders here). Beyond that, you will be guided to the other tools when you are ready. They will not fall in your lap though, so you will have to be active in pursuing them...just dont fret when you cant find all of them at once lol.

Thank you Ashnook, and AlricThomas for both of your post. I'am going to begin some construction with your advice Ashnook.

Ashnook,

Are you still planning to record yourself doing an evocation of one of the entities from the Necronomicon, and some of the other preliminary rituals? I really enjoyed your other two.

Mathias

At some point in the future, I am.

Ashnook

I must say that since Ive been reading the nec forum my interest is hard to contain! I've got a question for the experienced Nec-mages, here goes.... I basicly have worked with ceremonial magick, mainly from a Solomonic aspect (as it tends to re-affirm my personal belief system) I am extremely comfortable with this... perhaps too comfortable! I have always shyed from the nec, mainly because I once knew someone that tattooed a sigil from the nec on his neck, he was institutionalized within a year or so, after gradually plunging into "insanity!" I was instantly convinced of the books validity. Now I wish to "experiment" with this system of magick, how long should I prepare for? What is required of me? I do not fear the system, as I am confident in my own. But, I do not wish to tread in ignorance...... :nec-help:

Ashnook's Nec Class Thread is the best place to start. Read that and before you do anything concentrate on the banishings. You should be used to that from your solomon work but the Nec has special considerations. Check the sticky at the top of the forum on Banishings that work.

After that read and reread the book and become used to it's feel. The Nec has a very distint energy feel to it than any other system I have ever used.

Then if you want to jump in with both feet try one of the 50 names to evoke. Look for my outline on the nec system OR since you are used to solomon I know many people who use that system to work with the 50 names. Both methods have their pro's and con's.
Let us know how it goes.