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post Mar 22 2005, 01:38 PM
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Well, I guess I'll start off with a few questions that I always ask, and then get down to descriptions if anyone wants any extra information that I have.

Anywho, here it goes.
Does anyone have any information on any of the following:
A being/glowing angelic thing called 'X.' I've also seen this/him refered to as 'One of all hands' and '4:12'
A being/spirit that calls itself 'Hollow'
A being/spirit that calls itself 'Dark Man'
And lastly, the Astral Wars.

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:40 PM
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Hmmm, interesting. I haven't heard of any of those entities... have they been giving you problems?

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:40 PM
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Not so much giving me problems as irratating me with their undocumented presence. At the moment 2 of the 3 just kind of hang out in dream land, while one is actively persuing my presence. Hollow and Dark Man seem to be malevolent forces though, Hollow being a parasite and the Dark Man just more of a vauge, fowl mouthed and pushy entity that disrupts Oqjia sessions. X is something more along the lines of an angel or a diva (possibly a muse), though he isn't my gaurdian pesronally.

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:41 PM
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I have been told that burning a small amount of tobacco can drive unwanted spirits away... but it you doing a spirit board session then I don't know if it would be wise. And tobacco stinks too...

I remember hearing about an entity named X... but mabey that is what they say when they don't want you to know thier name. Could the word hand have a different meaning then the way you and I use it?

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:41 PM
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It's possible. I kind of get the impression X is short for something, or is just what it says to call it instead of some longwinded real name that it has. The only reason I call it that is because of the first dream he appeared in. They end of the dream was a note that I don't entirely remeber signed "One of all hands, X."

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:42 PM
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Well, mabey his name really is one with all hands, Is there a common language used among angels or spirits? I have heard of Enochian... Do all angels use that language?

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:42 PM
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((Sorry it took so long to answer.))

I wouldn't have any idea. I've never really 'spoken' with him, but what he wrote was in English....  Jeez, I'm not my help to answer my own question...

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post Mar 22 2005, 01:43 PM
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Well, I have been talking to some people... and the only name I could get was Shiva... one with many hands... not all but many...

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It could have been Kali, I will get more info on him later.

I have been told that one with all hands could be a medaphore for Life or Death, Or some one who makes a lot of desions, And, angels with all hands are closest to us... It could have been your HGA, I think you get to pick its name if you want to so mabey thats why it refered to its self as X.


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post Mar 22 2005, 01:44 PM
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on Feb 16th, 2005, 5:28pm, Daev wrote:I have been told that burning a small amount of tobacco can drive unwanted spirits away... but it you doing a spirit board session then I don't know if it would be wise. [/QUOTE]

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I have a friend who has used whole dried sage on different occasions . . . Just lit the sage, let the smoke drift around the room and then placed it next to her board. It seemed to work for her. Just an idea.

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post Mar 22 2005, 05:37 PM
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I think you seriousely need a hobby. Or need to get to know a member of the opposite sex (IMG:style_emoticons/default/uglyhammer.gif)

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post Mar 23 2005, 12:23 AM
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post Mar 23 2005, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(Crom Cruach @ Mar 22 2005, 06:37 PM)
I think you seriousely need a hobby.  Or need to get to know a member of the opposite sex (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fruit.gif)

And here I was hoping you boys were trying to answer my question.


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post Mar 24 2005, 02:22 AM
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Well after some thought, the name "4:12" sounds familiar... although I'm going to have to do some research before I can give you anything substantial.


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Crom - he's rebuilding threads from his old forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Yes Crom, please read the announcement here: http://sacred-magick.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=277


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post Mar 27 2005, 11:12 AM
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Ok, on the 4:12 thing, here's something that may be of help:

Genesis 4:12 (referring to Cain)
When you work the ground, it will no longer yeild crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the Earth.

I couldn't find anything else in the bible or the book of Enoch which might be of use.


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post Mar 28 2005, 05:21 AM
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Someone asked about which language angels speak? Well as far as beings go in general, from my personal experiences (and the experiences of others I have talked to so far) if they have been working with humans for some time that speak english, most of them have english down very well. However if you run into a being that does not interact with humans much they may not know english at all, or very little english. I have found that Latin and Enochian seem to be more common than english in many cases. The onlly trouble is if you start speaking to them in Enochian for axample, unless you know a good deal of words in Enochian (don't worry there are only about 500) then you would get lost very quickly. There are also specific languages that are only known to the beings of that sort (well for the most part).
If there is a language barrier, mental images and an empathic link can help.
Howver getting specific names is difficult. If for some reason Enochian does work and you know the alphabet well enough, you could have the being show you one letter at a time (as the angels did with Dee and Kelly) until you have the complete name, or maybe a word or 2 you can look up later.
I have sometimes found it quite intresting how a being's concept of things and mine can be quite different. Well this make sense, being from different planes of existance and all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So sometimes there are concept barriers.
I have found a pendalum to help with yes or no questions during evocation etc. once in awhile. And I have also found that quite often a being will give you a bit of a puzzle for you to work out and do the research for, so that you will be learning material that correlates with their teachings while you are at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Ok well it's late and I'm rambling lol, hopefully not everyone is asleep by end end of this one!
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post Mar 28 2005, 06:33 AM
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My sense is that none of these if they are actually all different beings sounds like your HGA.

I would ask them what they want or why they have come and see what they say if you still have contact with them, if not, note all of the information in a journal or entity list since some of these occurrences may be something to do with the future, for instance, you may come across something written down and need to refer back to these events, or they may reappear and you will be able to add to the information.

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post Mar 30 2005, 12:38 AM
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i don't know 4:12.
I don't know darkman, or X.
But I've heard a thing or two regarding astral wars. Some claim to hold together the veil in an attempt to prevent our world and the spirit world from merging together. Others claim astral wars are being conducted between human spirits and otherkin spirits.

Is there something in particular you are looking to find out about astral wars?


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