How To Stop Intruders? Options

alright so...ive only had this problem once or twice...i guess my dreams arent that interesting but...how to stop eavesdroppers? is there a barrier you can set up while you sleep?

Well the first thing that comes to mind is how do you know they are intruders? Sometimes "intruders" are really just spirit guides trying to contact you. Sometimes they're just spirits trying to get attention. But more often then not intruders represent unsettled aspects within ourself.

Regardless you can prevent unwanted visitors through the use of magick barriers as in you use magick symbols to cerimonially seal your room or grant yourself protections. You can create an amulet or wear a delta pendant. I couldn't find any good pictures so what a delta pendant is is a necklace with a silver or stainless steal equal lateral triangle with cross bars that intersect in the middle. It represents a gateway that prevents unwanted visitors from entering your dreams uninvited. The more practical solution is to buy a dream catcher as those also prevent unwanted guests from entering your mind. Also the use of dream wards can repell invaders. Dream wards can be grotesque masks, or statues made from clay, beeswax or really anything that can be shaped into the figure of something like a gargoyle. And the last solution I can think of, which is what I use the most, are dream servitors. I don't really want to get into how to make servitors, just use the search function and you'll find information about them. Study up and if you like what you read make one with the intentions of protecting you from intruders.

thankyou acid, for your prompt answer...luv the advice. will use the advice.

i do have a dream catcher...but its been with me for a long time and it doesnt seem to keep everything out...so dunno, maybe i should replace it? i dont think i ever properly charged it myself. it works but only minimally. as for gargoyles, i will follow your advice.

you have a good point that i may have guides trying to reach me. that is why i chose to treat this more delicately and posted the question on forum rather than follow my first instinct and just blast my problem with 20+ fortified magic (my brother is the gamer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) hehe. anyway, its not TOO serious but if i let it sit, these things tend to fester and get worse.

i WILL say that a person i had no real friendship with just walked into one of my dreams. i KNOW because when she entered it my dream immediately changed to a less informative and more frivolous format...it also relayed some symbols i associated specifically with her character. so i know i am not without my defenses...but if SHE could just walk in, (and she confirmed it the day after it happened) as can numerous others, i have a problem. one such intruder actually had the gall to try and give me a nightmare...i sent him packing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rant.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/head_hurts_kr.gif) people need to get out of my head!

i do have a dream catcher...but its been with me for a long time and it doesnt seem to keep everything out...so dunno, maybe i should replace it? i dont think i ever properly charged it myself. it works but only minimally. as for gargoyles, i will follow your advice.

I've noticed that when I sleep under a dream catcher my dreams are always hazy and hard to remember. So I have never really found much use for them. However I have wondered how long a dream catcher would work because basically what it does is trap negative energy like fly paper traps flies. And we all probably know that fly paper only works for so long. I think maybe all you might need to do is cleanse the dream catcher you have and it should to its thing. But if a dream catcher is like a spider's web it'll catch flies and such, but big things will still break past it. I think a nice big ole dragon could be useful at stopping anything negative or harmful.

you have a good point that i may have guides trying to reach me. that is why i chose to treat this more delicately and posted the question on forum rather than follow my first instinct and just blast my problem with 20+ fortified magic (my brother is the gamer ) hehe. anyway, its not TOO serious but if i let it sit, these things tend to fester and get worse.

Have you been keeping a dream journal? That is probably the easiest way to know if you're being contacted - or targeted for that matter. That or litterally be lucid while dreaming and be able to interact with what ever forces may be at work.

people need to get out of my head!

Sounds like a personal matter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If people are actively trying to intrude within your dreams then it is no wonder you're dreaming the things you are. If more than one person tries to invade your dreams you mind can get overwhelmed by the thought that you are powerless to stop them. This is only the power of suggestion and it is false. All the people in the world might try to invade your dreams and you could stop them.

Dream incubation is the art of manipulating your dreams through the power of suggestion.

I remember when I was a little kid, like 7-8, I would have bad dreams now and again. And the way I ended up coping with them was to set up little plastic army men around my room to create a sort of perimmiter around me. And I don't men I just set up little soldiers I had tanks, helicopters, jets, cannons, and some GI joe ninja assassins to boot. I had an army on my side. Being that at the time I was a child the feeling that I had an army on my side made me feel safe and protected from bad dreams. This is a form of dream incubation. The army suggested to my mind that I was safe and believed it and it was true. Now the army men really didn't do anything they simply allowed my mind to compensate for its insecurity.

You are not a child. You are an adult and such childish measures probably wouldn't affect you the same way. But what you can do, alternatively, is is place items of importance around you. These can be pictures of loved ones, jewlry from a lover or family member, really anything of importance to you, even old childhood toys if they carry signficance. What this does is fortify your mind and reinforce the idea that you are safe within your room and able to sleep peacefully and safely, free from intrusions. If your room is already packed with such items then before you go to bed just spend a few minutes going over some of the more important things and remember the memories you stored within them - ummm but only if they're happy ones though. Once you're satisified that you are relaxed and feel safe then go to bed and before you close your eyes tell yourself - "tonight nothing or nobody is going to bother me while I sleep".

Think of your room as a temple, a sacred place where magickal things cannot bother you. Each time you step into your room its like you're really stepping into an impenetrable fortress. Use this, or anywhere you sleep for that matter, to recognize that you are protected and safe from invaders.

This post has been edited by Acid09: Jun 29 2007, 06:11 PM

You can block inturders by useing incense (sandalwood) in the area of sleep. Just walk the perimeter of the room you sleep in counterclockwise with it lit and than put it in its resting place. No one should enter or leave after that or it needs done again. If you work with light and meditation you can also bring downa solid white light on you hrad chakra and expand it like a globe or ballon until it encompasses the room. The issue here is it takes a miniscual amount of energy to put up but should not be enough to interupt dream practice.
This can be done to block good or bad entities but ill warn you there is as much to learn from both if you just control the fear.

hey hey hey! who said anything about fear???? im a valkyrie remember! ...not a lil bunny rabbit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/004.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/medieval.gif)
its just an annoyance rather. only, i have a tendency to let things turn to shat, cuz im lazy like that! anyway...i DID try Sandalwood (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mf_popeanim.gif) ...it has a great smell. at first. BUT. later on it starts to smell like throwup (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) ...and i dont like sleeping with that smell!
ive made a rock barrier around my room....i think i actually stole that idea from you enoch?
ive also put up netting...over my bed and around my dream catcher...which i will clean out. the netting is used exactly like a web...only its for the bigger flies, hehe. its an extension of my dream catcher.
one more important thing! last night...well, lets just say i found out i have a friend in a high place. i have NO fear. Thanks guys.

Of course you have no fear your 19...lol

There are fears that you dont even realize as of yet. Simple things that you may not even feel or SEE that have drained your enegy for so long that its not even rocognized.

If you tire of sandalwood use frankincense in the same manner or a bundle of burning sage will do the trick.

The best thing you can do is learn control. If you are big into dreaming and want the control i recommend (if you have not already read it) Carlos Castaneda's "art of dreaming". Its IMHO far superior to most dream books. It gives you guidlines as to your progress by showing what gates you have passed. It also explains some of the dangers of makeing deals and outside influances. Of course no book is perfect but there are keys and good learning in many.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Jun 30 2007, 01:15 PM

well i have as much fear as purports a person who knows they are falling some hundred feet and well...whats the point? fear in a novice is hardly a useful or preferred state. i have plenty of time for THAT later, when im finally on the ground and looking up and thinking "did i really fall that far?" anyway...im guessing this book should be ordered online? what the hell...any other books? what do you think of Monroe's Journeys? have you read it? someone mentioned it to me...i might as well check it out. as far as providing defense information i guess simply being in the know is the best defense i can have. somehow i feel like im throwing myself off yet another cliff by researching this...
well. whatever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif)
-valk out

If you are big into dreaming and want the control i recommend (if you have not already read it) Carlos Castaneda's "art of dreaming". Its IMHO far superior to most dream books. It gives you guidlines as to your progress by showing what gates you have passed.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/yikes.gif) Whoa whoa! Slow down. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wheelchair.gif) Gates? Gates?? Like the first gate I passed through in my dream but the second one was locked? http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=5017

This post has been edited by Slayden: Jul 1 2007, 03:13 AM

hey hey hey! who said anything about fear???? im a valkyrie remember! ...not a lil bunny rabbit.

Fear has many faces and levels, some great some small. What I sense from you is fear, as in uncertainty, of the unknown. Which is normal. If you didn't have this feeling I'd say something is wrong with you. Of course if you were chronically terrified that something was trying to get at you in your sleep I'd also say you something nots cool in your head. But your uncertainty, to me, seems to be more of a curiosity than either an unhealthy indifference or irrational obsession.

I think that by simply sleeping in the same spot over a period of time and feeling safe in that spot you charge that area with energy that naturally protects you from most intruders. I would suggest that if you visualize this energy that you also treat it like the dream catcher and every so often just banish the energies to cleanse the room and re-do the visualization of the energy. Also make sure you yourself are cleansed if this is what you you do. If you are not cleansed and have enough negative energy than visualizing a wall of protection around your room could possibly surround you with negative energy instead. The easiest way to deal with intruders is to not acknowledge them. Don't give them the attention they are trying to pry from you and they will go away. Even if they make some noise at first, they'll still go away.

at least i know im doing things right then. when i "feel" them...i DO ignore them and most of the time they arent annoying enough to bother with. anyway...ive also noticed...simply talking about this stuff is a type of acknowledgement which attracts attention; i hate it when just mention of something supernatural causes crap to happen or invites unwanted leaches. Should charging objects and putting up protections be considered another type of acknowledgement? it CANT be indicative of weakness, can it? anyhow...i should think anyone who wants to test my limits (some very clearly defined boundaries as of NOW) would think twice before crossing the line. its really just a statement i guess. "LOOK! I know what you are doing... do i really have to get THE BIG GUNS?" anyway. i thought id fire a warning shot. thanks acid. a gentlemen as usual! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif)

This post has been edited by valkyrie: Jul 4 2007, 05:21 PM

Should charging objects and putting up protections be considered another type of acknowledgement? it CANT be indicative of weakness, can it?

It draws attention like a bunch of pesants building a castle threatens barbarian invaders. Unless they're really intent on taking the castle the barbarians will likely move on to an easier target. But yeah you kind of are sending smoke signals to various nasties. But the signals say "stay away or else". You'd have to be pretty special to really appeal to most of these supernatural critters. If something big wants to get you there isn't much you can do to stop it except put up a big fight, fight dirty kicking and screaming, and hope it goes away. Its like trying to run from a grizzly. If it wants to get you it will. The good news is that very rarely do these kinds of things target people. Especially healthy people.

it sounds like you are experienced in the ways of 'barbarianism' acid! or are you just trying to speak my language? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/horse.gif) anyhoo, the castle is worthless until its built. no lords or ladies, or possible treasure hidden within. Just a bunch of thralls moving stones and putting up useless walls.

Not to say im particularly worried about myself. But i figure, while im studying dream defense 101 i should observe every little crack in the fortress of knowledge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif) i like a good challenge. lets see how long i can use this analogy... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hands.gif) WHAT IF, metaphorically speaking, these barbarians...who happen to be passing through, are educated barbarians...and they think..."oh these peasants are building a castle...in the future i know where to pilfer cuz they MUST be building this castle for SOME reason. Besides, whose endorsing it?...and what could they possibly be planning to do with so much space? Potentially, a rich spendthrift decided to put his mistress away in the country...but then again, if they could so blatantly afford it in the first place why would they be using cheap labor as opposed to the long term cost effective mason worker?" (hehe)
Being clever barbarians that they are, theyde figure all kind of factors opposing such a silly economic venture...After all, castles depreciate with time and local barbarians must drastically reduce the housing's appraisal and purchase value...and then theyd all decide as a group that castles were a very disagreeable prospect because of so many indeterminate factors...and theyd all realize investing was the wisest choice. Unfortuanately, theres always that one person...who would pipe up and remind them, "Hey we're barbarians. Not priests...pilfer!!!!!!" and theyde all revert to stupid people who attack whatever looks the biggest and shiniest cuz theres a remote possibility of booty.

well acid?

the castle is worthless until its built. no lords or ladies, or possible treasure hidden within. Just a bunch of thralls moving stones and putting up useless walls.

Thats the beauty of human imagination. A real castle takes years to fully finish and even then some get added on to later in the castle's life. You, on the other hand, only need to imagine the castle and its built. In your case the barbarians wouldn't see pesants toiling on castle walls they'd see a formidable fortress located in a stragetic spot that would make it very difficult to take. Of course if they are educated barbarians then they may lay siege to your abode and starve you out. However these educated barbarians would have to be the type that are really determined to get you. If your castle is under siege then you beseech the local lords of neighboring lands (summon your servitors or get help from a friend) to send reinforcements and hopefully trap the barbarians in a pincher mannuver between your castle and an allied army.

Remember though your "castle" is how you see it (it could be as simple as a forcefield or as elaborate as you imagination can concieve) and really it doesn't just protect your dreams, but you in general. Any field of energy, or barriers you create will act as your fortress of solitude.

WHAT IF, metaphorically speaking, these barbarians...who happen to be passing through, are educated barbarians...and they think..."oh these peasants are building a castle...in the future i know where to pilfer cuz they MUST be building this castle for SOME reason. Besides, whose endorsing it?...and what could they possibly be planning to do with so much space? Potentially, a rich spendthrift decided to put his mistress away in the country...but then again, if they could so blatantly afford it in the first place why would they be using cheap labor as opposed to the long term cost effective mason worker?" (hehe

The flaw between the barbarian vs castle and dream deffense is time. It only takes you as much time as needed to complete any rituals or even just run through your room building up walls of energy. A real castle takes much longer to finish. Also keep in mind, just because your fortress might not be finished doesn't mean its not finished enough to defend you. Most castles were built with lesser deffenses around them and an army was near by to protect the investment - you wouldn't want to build a castle just to see it sacked before it was finished so you protect it with even say knights or hell since this is all hypothetical you'd have your assortment of wizzards and soothsayers and maybe even a mythical creature on your side. And if you were in the mid-east maybe you'd have templar on guard, which might be more intimidating than the castle itself. So again, most barbarians would see this as too much of risk to try an take. The monestary down the road with no protection is a turkey shoot. Now on the other hand if you did something to piss off a barbarian army then you'd fill them with resolve and then you would have a problem on your hands. But usually an army of barbarians looses out to an army of professional knights and soldiers.

Being clever barbarians that they are, theyde figure all kind of factors opposing such a silly economic venture...After all, castles depreciate with time and local barbarians must drastically reduce the housing's appraisal and purchase value...and then theyd all decide as a group that castles were a very disagreeable prospect because of so many indeterminate factors...and theyd all realize investing was the wisest choice. Unfortuanately, theres always that one person...who would pipe up and remind them, "Hey we're barbarians. Not priests...pilfer!!!!!!" and theyde all revert to stupid people who attack whatever looks the biggest and shiniest cuz theres a remote possibility of booty.

Just don't try to piss off any barbarians and if you do either be prepared to fight, which you would still have the upper hand, or be prepared to except extortion - and medieval France is perfect example of that not working. Also remember if big enough barbarian army wants to take you out your best bet is to find strength in numbers and combine your armies with allies. Even then I believe the mongul hordes are an example of that not being enough. Point is you can protect yourself against 99.9% of all barbarians there's just that tiny fraction that can get you no matter what.

If we take an eastern twist and look at Feudal Japan we see Dynamo and their generals employing ninjas to take out prominate figures - rival leaders, Ronin and political figures. These ninjas proved to be pretty affective and were hated by the Samuri as warriors without honor (really they had honor they just didn't think dying battle was the way to go). Then there were the ever alluring Geishas. These were female ninja, highly elite, who trained as "entertainers" and then they'd play on the male ego and get in favor with powerful people, either as a spy or to kill them.

But again you'd have to be pretty special to be scoped out by a ninja or geisha. Not saying you are not special everybody is in their own way but barbarians are more likely to attack say Bush (hopefully) rather than you.

This post has been edited by Acid09: Jul 6 2007, 05:58 PM

wow. lol. i wonder what kind of dreams Bush has! okay...so what would you say the geishas are, metaphorically? and the ninjas? Ive never known either to just attack in one's sleep. well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif) maybe a geisha would. hehe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)*bink!

Ninja and Geisha are the perfect metaphorical example of entities that might attack a person while they slept since these assassins preffered to attack when query were incompassitated. The difference is that most entities that might attack you while you slept are probably parasitic and so don't want to kill you persay as rather just live off you. Again though I do believe in the possibility that there are the rare occassions where a person can encounter something that really can harm or even kill them. And I think there is little one can do to prevent such an attack unless they are already prepared - even then you never know.

hey, all

how come nobody mentioned salt?

i keep a small bowl of fresh salt (changed out weekly - its cheap) on the bedside table, and it keeps the area cleaned out of astral cooties (like leeches), and if something bugs me enough in my dreams, or interrupts like you said, i usually remember the salt and plunge them (or it) into it and watch then writhe like a snail - they usually puff out fast and stay away after that

You know after rereading this thread salt did come to my mind and I see you brought it up. I think I intended to bring it up but we got side tracked with that whole "barbarians trying to storm the keep" and "ninja killing people in their sleep" analogy. nah with the salt I would keep the bowl near by as Esoterica suggested but I would sprinkle it in the corners each night... keep a hand vaccuum nearby though. Maybe it is like snails and salt but I agree its pretty useful in keeping away astral parasites. On the otherhand I still think throwing salt at an astral critter more like a bear vs. an annoying bug, would only piss it off.

This post has been edited by Acid09: Apr 7 2008, 05:57 PM