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post Oct 17 2006, 01:28 AM
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After reading about various defenses by using elemental shields (fire, water, air, earth), I was thinking if, by using these shields, one can have protection against psychic attacks and/or telepathic mind readings. There are practices to help protect one's mind from being read, but these practices do not seem as effective or worthy enough to be practiced.

Would chakra work for developing shield defense work against psi attacks and telepathy? would it be effective enough? If so, how would it defend?

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post Oct 24 2006, 02:13 PM
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Hello,

What do you mean by chakra? I'm a little unsure as I usually use that word to mean the energy centres in our bodies, but you might have a different definition.

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post Oct 24 2006, 05:20 PM
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Not really sure what you mean, as your initial post is a bit vague, but there are many many many methods of psychic protection out there. One of my favourites, and one of the simplest, is simply to light a white candle (anoint it with something like frankincense oil, or an oil to your personal deity if you can), maybe some incense, and as the candle burns, visualise a sphere of white light around you. For me, it winds up looking like illuminated frosted glass.

If I've come across someone or something I really don't like, I'll put the 'glass bubble' around not only myself, but my family members, house, pets, and vehicles. If I have to, I will also back it up with the LBRP and LBRH.

Does that help?


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post Nov 3 2006, 03:12 PM
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I have heard of protecting the chakras centres but I havnt heard of shields that are form from the chakra specifically.
The most simplest shield I have heard (mainly from ghost hunters) is simply to cover yourself in white light. Although you can do other things like use Native smudge etc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 9 2007, 01:08 PM
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For me,I've always been able to protect myself with psi balls.
Now,I put a lot of time,concentration,and effort into making mine.

I dont really see how chakra word would help develop a sheild. When I think of chakra work,I think of regaining energy and just generally calming myself down.If you want to sheild your chakras,you could try psi balls. Ive never guarded a chakra with one though,so I dont know how well it would work.


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post Oct 9 2007, 03:00 PM
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All energetic exchanges you have with the world take place through the chakra system - not just the major seven, but although the various secondary and tertiary points as well, though they are more about the movement of energy through one's own system; there are techniques which block those pathways or facilitate them either offensively or for healing.

So yes, chakra work of some kind can help you shield yourself. Better is a question of personal efficiency - but any kind of shielding will involve the use of those energy centers, whether it's intentional or not.

To shield yourself from telepathy, defend your throat chakra, to keep others from having clairvoyant visions of you, shield your crown and root centers; to prevent mind control, suggestion, etc., defend your third eye. To prevent psychic vampirism, defend the lower four centers and the foot centers (bubbling springs). To prevent psychic attack, you would have to defend all of them, as that is a broad category, you can be attacked through any energy center. Better to shield completely on the highest energy body you are able to work on, and hope that you can work on a higher level than your attacker which in many cases will be true, as the intention to do harm to others will typically limit you to the astral body level.

The best thing you can do to pursue this is study the chakras intently, using as much material as possible as there is so much conflicting information out there. Find the common threads between the differing philosophies and you will have found the true knowledge. Meditate on them as well, and pay attention to where energy is most active during different states of mind, challenges, thought patterns, etc. This will give you an experiential map of where to put your attention for any problems you encounter, and of course good old fashioned energy work practice and research will fill you in on exactly what to do. Shielding a chakra is the same as shielding your entire self, but more efficiently accomplished, though also potentially more dangerous to your energetic balance.

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post Nov 18 2007, 05:48 AM
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I can rip through the above shields like a knife through butter and any skilled telepath could, too.

From an article of mine.

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Shielding and combat varies with high level telepaths and low level telepaths. For example, an attacking low telepath/empath would project barrages of emotions,thoughts, and or energy. They would be projected from their consciousness. A defending person could absorb, redirect, or shield against the attack. The strength of the defense and the attack would depend upon the well of thoughts,emotions and energy that both sides could muster. A high level one is different, due to the fact that it involes direct interaction between the psyche. Emotions and thoughts and concepts of the psyche arise as physical things, so therefore, the strength of the attack and the defense would depend upon the psyches of the person and the strength of will of their minds.


It has nothing to do with your chakras. It is the strength of the mind. I had a person shield like that. What I did was that I tapped into the ambient thoughts and emotions around me and re channeled sharpened to a point. At the same time, I phased through the shield. It is hard to explain. It is like I go around the shield with my mind. The shield is made of energy, but my mind is not made of energy of that type, so it goes right through. From the inside I apply pressure and from the outside I send that point made of emotions and thoughts through. At the same time, I am messing with the surface of the person from the inside. I don't even have to do that. I cam just phase through and explore the person's mind.

It is not the strength of the energy, but the strength of the mind. It is hard to explain. The other best way is not to be seen. I think stealth is the best thing. Personally, if I can't feel the person or lock onto the person, I can't do anything. I can lock onto a shield easily. They are the most obvious. For one, they cast a type of mental shadow. Imagine being a bright room and there is a black shadow from no where right in the middle of the room. Pretty obvious, is it not? In addition to that, the activity from such defenses makes you easier to find.

In addition to that, a person can take advantage of personal links. For example, you have a bond to your mother. I can emulate the energy and emotional and/or thought pattern of that person and travel that bond straight through your defenses. It is like a Trojan horse thing. You can also emulate that person's signature. Copy the imprint that you feel. The person's mind and/or body will mistake it and recognize it as its own and let you in. There are countless ways to get around shields like that. If a strong or average telepath wants a look into your head, a shield won't stop them. You would need to use other methods.

When I am bored, I browse through people's memories... It is like a good television show.

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post Nov 18 2007, 09:38 AM
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What you are saying arises from a misunderstanding of the relationship between chakras and psionic abilities. I have encountered a number of psions, usually empaths, many of them in every day life. Whether they knew what they were doing I can't judge appropriately. In any case, I can easily make my self 'invisible' or simply impenetrable, to such talents. I tested this when I had the chance with one of my 'class mates' a few years ago, who was a talented psion.

All of the energy that you interact with, goes through your chakras. You may not be aware of it, if you have not taken the time to focus on and become aware of your chakras - it is not necessarily a given, just because you work with some kind of energy.

Psionic abilities function with the throat, third eye, and in a peripheral way the solar plexus chakra. Empathy may include the heart center depending on what form of empathy. Some are intellectual about it, some are emotional.

In order to percieve thought-stuff, whether you know it or not, you have to access the mental body of another person by going through the third eye center. You more than likely, if you have not taken an interest in your energy system, simply 'do something' which causes you to have these experiences. The subtle bodies are a sophisticated network of 'tones' which function different independently and together to produce every phenomenon in human experience. You could not do something that did not involve the subtle bodies and the centers that connect them to the physical body.

If you simply focus your mind on the intention and say to yourself, without any doubt, I am defended perfectly against psionic invasion. Then the energy directed by that intention will shield their third eye center, and likely stiffen the astral body, which contains those below it in tone, including the mental body. I prefer to be aware and in control of exactly how my energy is moving.

You probably have never encountered someone who was really shielding, or just as likely, you perceive reflections of your own psyche. My partner at the time I was learning about shielding, did not perceive that I was so defended - he believed he was able to perform as he normally did, getting accurate impressions from the activity in my thoughts and peeking at childhood memories. However, his accuracy vanished, whereas unshielded he was almost unsettlingly accurate. Often enough, pride will confuse the average psion to the point that they never think about the possibility that there are shields to 'rip through' as you put it. Which is an inaccurate term considering the interaction that takes places between energies, and which ones would be necessary to cancel another person's shields.

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post Nov 18 2007, 07:18 PM
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Nov 18 2007, 10:38 AM) *
What you are saying arises from a misunderstanding of the relationship between chakras and psionic abilities. I have encountered a number of psions, usually empaths, many of them in every day life. Whether they knew what they were doing I can't judge appropriately. In any case, I can easily make my self 'invisible' or simply impenetrable, to such talents. I tested this when I had the chance with one of my 'class mates' a few years ago, who was a talented psion.


Hence the whole stealth method. I mentioned that earlier. The inability to sense you makes it so that they can not lock onto you. If they can not lock onto you, they can not do anything. It depends on the strength between the two.

QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Nov 18 2007, 10:38 AM) *
If you simply focus your mind on the intention and say to yourself, without any doubt, I am defended perfectly against psionic invasion. Then the energy directed by that intention will shield their third eye center, and likely stiffen the astral body, which contains those below it in tone, including the mental body. I prefer to be aware and in control of exactly how my energy is moving.


At best the intention acts as a psychological model that arises in the mind of the person. It creates a mental archetype which interacts with the invading mind. It acts as a simple barrier created through intention. Emotions and thoughts and concepts of the psyche arise as physical, mental things, so therefore, the strength of the attack and the defense would depend upon the psyches of the person and the strength of will of their minds. You can create a jamming affect. You could send out a mental construct, thought, energy, or whatever you want to call it, with the purpose of jamming a person's "radar" so to speak, but that in itself depends on the strength of the two parties involved and can be tricky.

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You appear to believe that the mind is confined to the brain. I am suggesting that the third eye center effectively is the mind that you think with - not all of it, but the place in which images, contemplate, analysis, etc., takes place. Not the biological aspect, that is how your physical body experiences and integrates those movements of consciousness.

So when I say that the third eye and astral body are affected by that intention, I am not suggesting that a mental model is not created, but that the effect of that intention on the subtle systems, can be observed by anyone who take the time to learn to observe in that way.

We are looking at it essentially from two different paradigms - you appear to believe that consciousness is biological, while I believe that consciousness contains the biological.

Because the majority of people believe this, you will more than likely always have the upper hand. It is a belief which limits the extent of control an individual can have over their subtle systems. So, no doubt your experience verifies your theory.

On the other hand, you say you peek at peoples memories for fun. Have you confirmed those images with every person you have peeked at? Just because it works with one or two people, does not mean that you are always successful. It may be less about strength than you think. In my experience that is very often true. I can channel a lot of energy for clients during healing sessions - for some people it fixes practically everything for them. For others, it doesn't matter how strong I am, it is someone else's energy, and I am not interacting with just passive energy, I am interacting with a conscious entity that for whatever reason, simply may not allow me to intervene.

Psionic abilities like telepathy and scanning - or peeking or glimpsing as I have heard the ability called - operate under the same circumstances. It doesn't matter how strong you are, if the entity itself does not allow itself to be invaded in such a way, that's the end of the story.

I don't consider myself psionic, although it may just be a matter of nomenclature. However, my techniques keep me well defended, and don't require anything I would consider 'strength' at all. Granted, the number of telepaths, empaths, and nosy psions, I have encountered is probably pretty slim - certainly far more who do so passively than those that do so on purpose.

I have, however, met dozens of folks who believe they are psionic, when in fact they are not. That, is a whole other story.

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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Nov 18 2007, 10:40 PM) *
Psionic abilities like telepathy and scanning - or peeking or glimpsing as I have heard the ability called - operate under the same circumstances. It doesn't matter how strong you are, if the entity itself does not allow itself to be invaded in such a way, that's the end of the story.


I relate things to practical situations. To me that is saying if someone is aiming a gun at you and fires that the bullet won't hit you because you simply "don't allow" it to. I get what you are saying. Let us boil things down into a form of your model. If the person's intent to invade is more than your intent not to let them invade, they invade. If your intent is stronger than it won't go through. Intent is part of will which is part of the consciousness which is part of the mind, therefore, it would be a battle of minds.

If the two are equally strong they cancel. If one is stronger than the other, one overpowers the other. This can be on the defense or the offensive. There are various techniques to get around this, but one on one, the strongest will always win. The jamming of the person's senses or shielding their "the" eye technique is risky because it depends on too many variables. What if the person absorbs the energy? What if the person redirects the energy? What if the person breaks through the energy? What if the person fixes the damage to the energy? What if the person is piggy backing?

Piggy backing is a term I use for jumping minds. It is using their energy or mind or whatever you want to call it. I have various forms to this. One is to protect against empathic/telepathic overload. I use another person's mind, thoughts, emotions, or energy as a block or a barrier. Another variation is I hide behind it.

I coordinated this one from the stand point of a DOS attack, it is a type of computer hack attack. I link to multiple people at once and direct their emotions, thoughts, and energy with my own towards one person. While I am doing that, I am rapidly flicking my main branch of "consciousness" between the links while keeping myself stealthed. So I am doing a number on your defenses, all the while keeping hidden drawing from multiple people at once.

What you proposed would hit the decoys that the person is using, but it would not have an affect on the person.

You mentioned canceling out shields before. A person can do that. They can test the shield and see is strength and its properties, what archetype shows up, what thoughts, what emotions, etc. They can draw or synthesise energy that acts as an opposite and cancels it out or short circuits it. Then you have the typical energy drain shield. When a person leeches off the energy of the shield until it collapses or weakens enough to break through.

It is obvious that you aren't a psion. You seem to be of the other spectrum. You deal more with the astral. You can say there are two branches of psychic gifts. One that deals with the mind and body and the other side that deals with the "other".

I don't go around attacking people, but when I have to, I am going for your body and your mind. I am not going for your subtle body.

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QUOTE(telempath @ Nov 19 2007, 01:00 AM) *
I don't go around attacking people, but when I have to, I am going for your body and your mind. I am not going for your subtle body.


What I have been saying all along as that your mind is a part of your subtle body. Just because you are aware of only that portion of it, doesn't mean that is all there is to it. You are probably not aware of your pancreas, yet there it is.

I consider myself and energy worker. Whether some of what I do could be considered psionics, I think is a matter of paradigm. What I do know is that I have not, in the years since I learned to perceive energy the way that I do now, encountered a 'psion' who did anything that wasn't, under my paradigm, identical to the kind of energy work I am familiar with. Maybe those people were mislead in thinking they were practicing psionic techniques, or maybe psionic abilities fall within the scope of what I am familiar with.

I will say that only a few years ago, I was certain that there were distinct categories for what one might call 'mystical phenomenon' all with their very individual rules, mechanics, and variables. The more I learn and experience, the more I realize there are fewer differences in the meat and bones of paranormal phenomenon than I was original counting on. Energy is energy is energy. There's nothing that I've read, heard, or experienced to convince me that Psi is any different than the basic substrate of subtle energy of any other kind. It acts the same, it moves the same, it even feels the same. It can do the same things. People associate it with the mind, and normally don't realize that everything is mind - everything is conscious. As self-important humans, we simply assume that our kind of 'mind' and 'consciousness' is the only kind there is. It's like rain assuming that a raindrop is the only form that water comes in. Until it joins the sea, it seems perfectly logical. Then it's obvious that it's just a drop of something much bigger, and alive in a very different way.

In all honestly I can only attest to my own ability, some of which is learned, some of which is natural. Ultimately I can't speak for anyone else's talent - and if someone else attempted my techniques, it's possible they would not do so as effectively. I haven't had the personnel to test the idea. I do know that it's basically effortless for me, but it may be a bit shortsighted to assume it is as effortless to anyone else.

None the less the fact stands - the more of my consciousness I am aware of, the more I realize that only a small part of it is associated with what one typically refers to as 'the mind'. The mind is just an element of consciousness - I am, as an entity of awareness, essentially consciousness. Each of my subtle bodies represents a successively higher - or successively lower, depending on the point of view I'm taking - state of consciousness.

So from my viewpoint, to say that you go after the mind, not the subtle body, is like saying that you are going for someone's teeth, not their mouth.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I stand by the paradigm that has so far served me well in the few attacks I have experienced. Perhaps I have never encountered someone as creative and able as you are. I suppose in the fullness of time, I might one day find out first hand. There are an awful lot of people in the world, and I have managed to run into a handful of particular violent ones.

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