Forming A Pocket Realm For Travel, How would this be done? Options

Hi, sorry if this is in the wrong section, I didn't know exactly which it would fall under. I've been thinking over the idea of creating a small pocket realm for astral, and if possible physical travel.
I don't know where I'd begin with this, or if it's even possible, so I'd be very thankful for the input from those more well versed in this. So far I've only done basic sigil work to try and begin its formation, but I haven't seen any results as of yet. Thanks in advance!

First of all, let me apologize when I come off a little harsh, it's for the better, and I really don't hold anything against you personally - you're just asking, and I realize that.

First of all, you haven't made it quite clear what you mean by 'pocket realm' and apparently the need for one undermines the common usage of the phrase 'astral travel', so that may need some definition too. What is astral travel to you, that there may be any kind of necessity of a pocket realm?

Now, there is such a thing as a dream realm, i.e., a structured recurring location of varying dimensions which can be revisited during meditation and especially lucid dreaming, but that is a very advanced practice that, if you're interested, you might as well get started on now, and sigilization is not the most ineffective way to get there.

However, as far as pocket realms for physical travel... use common sense here. Have you ever heard of anyone - in recent years, in terms of local/current history, not anecdotal stories of ancient sages from other cultures - teleporting, or disappearing from one place and arriving shortly after or simultaneously elsewhere? Do you really think if it was possible you'd be ready for it? Do you think that it's just a casual art, should it exist, that someone is going to share it with you on this forum? Again, I don't have anything against you personally, so don't take this personally, but don't approach the occult with a disregard for common sense. Be open minded, of course, but also take some of these things into consideration. You're 22 years old (so you tell us anyway) - old enough to know better by now.

Clarify exactly what you're asking about here, define it according to your own understanding of what you think these terms mean - given your question I'm not convinced they mean the same things that they traditionally mean - and we'll take it from there. We'll just drop the 'physical travel' bit.

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This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Aug 20 2008, 12:52 PM

lol vagrant dreamer, you must have had a tummy ache when you replied, double post and all!

needless to say, you are quite correct, i have heard things called many things, but never 'pocket realm', and one cannot take these bags on the plane (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif) - i sorta wonder if its some new terminology somebody is using in some new book, that always seems to happen these days of mixmasters and doityourselfers

i assume what the op means is a conventional astral temple of sorts, although a more chaotic one, more like a chaote club med than a temple - perhaps a lake with a statue that can be visited when needful? - the problem being of course that the astral is a real place and has stuff already - having such a place on the astral would only require finding it, but it would already have its purpose and you couldn't change it, unlike astral construction where you'd build the statue on the side of a nice lake somewhere, then visit that area repeatedly

in this case, since the op is unfamiliar with the astral plane and its myriad lifeforms, i guess the next best thing would be some imagined realm, like 'shanti; the peaceful lake' - for such things, i usually just say 'visualise it ' until it becomes 'yours' - there is nothing new under the sun

sometimes people forget that words can be sigils too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/connie_witchy.gif) - so i would suggest to the op to just write it out, something that helps you visualize it, like: "the lush green foliage, and the crunch of the pebbles underfoot as you approach the edge of the deep green lake - the gentle wind, the green sky, the sound of the lapping green water, all seem poised for this very moment - tiny yellow flashes in the shallow green water as something moves in the murky depths! - rushing and swirling as it uncoils to explode through the water's surface, right in front of your very face! - the green drops of the water sizzle as it touches your skin! - you tremble and fall back from this living statue from the ancient past, as it meets you eye to eye above the frothy surface of the water - you can see it breathe as it sizes you up" - are you its meat, or its new friend?

oh but they probably wouldn't want to have anything scary like that that could think for itself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fruit.gif)

lol

I haven't heard the term "pocket realm" either or have come across that much information on astral travel in chaoism although I have done astral journey meditation in the context of Dion Fortune lineage-type Christo-Hermetic magic and recently did an experiment with someone who had developed an astral realm that had a theme about experiencing the realms of the classical (archonic) planets. I thought it was just an exercise about following his imagery for meditation except that I discovered the actual geography of his imaginal world, including his guides. But it was not as if I was OBE-ing, I was just thought-streaming so-to-speak. It inspired me to create my own "astral world," the theme of which is exploration of the elemental planes. I'm working with that now--but I have long years experience in eastern meditation and acclimated somewhat easily to western meditation--which can take the form of the "discursive meditation" --that is, wandering through mental imagery and archetypes and getting information thereby. I think they have a section somewhere on this site where folks post about that.

I have not used a scrying mirror but Peter Carroll writes about its use in experiencing other dimensions and mind states in Liber Null.. Perhaps this is the equivalent of astral travel ala chaoism. You are instructed to practice fixation with the scrying mirror, which is a reflective piece of something that is black. (You can buy a scrying mirror [traditionally a concave piece of obsidian] or make one by painting one side of piece of glass black or by putting a piece of black paper in a picture frame--or probably by staring at the TV set or a computer screen that is turned off. ) You gaze into it until, with practice, you enter a trance state and can basically go down the rabbit hole through the mirror.

As for bilocation and translocation--it might be the stuff of fantasy but the Italian ethnographer Ernesto de Martino in his book Primitive Magic reported that bilocation had been known to be commonly reported in certain eastern European cultures. And bilocation and translocation is also is commonly reported to occur as a prodigious feat of yogis, lamas, and sorcerers in the Himalayas. Some of Chaos magic is inspired by Tantric yoga and sorcery and Buddhist Dzongchen but it is best not to get too "out there" about what can and can't be accomplished in the real world. As another person posting mentioned, some of these things are achieved in some manner after many years of intense and esoteric practice. Still, one must take a step or two once in a while or else you never go anyway.

Seems to me that just as one can construct an Inner Temple, one can also cultivate an meta-ecosystem within which the Inner Temple resides.

Such an meta-environment could be an alternate way for considering and comprehending the "pocket realm".

pocket realm pocket dimension is very simple.

think about it like this:the size of your house is set, how much can be put in your house becouse of it fix size.
pocket realm allows one to create something the the size of the US inside your house (impossible becouse the US is bigger then your house unless you hold the size of the US inside a different dimension (like astral plane) and connect it to your front door thus maing the house bigger on the inside then the outside.

remember the old cartoons these characters could pull things out of there pocket that could never even fit in the pocket thus making the inside of the pocket bigger then it seems.

the movie Ultraviolet shows it in detail the main character has a wristband and inside the wristband are enough weapons to provide every soldier in the army with a gun and munition (basicly the arsenal are stored in the fourth dimension and the wristband is the gateway to access the storage.(creating a bubble in the forth dimension and that bubble is connected to the third dimension our dimension)

i think this is what Uru the Sage means with creating a pocket realm and access it physical. by connecting the astral plane to the door in our plane.

when i hear the phrase pocket realm, i think of a small distinct slice of the larger astral reality. if you imagine the astral plane(s) as being like a phonebook, with each page being it's own 'plane' so to speak. many of the pages are blank (there's an awful lot of them), and basically when you make an astral temple, you're making use of some free space in one of these. I think that sealing off a small plane, so that it becomes more of an enclosure of indefinite size, and using it for various different things, could be a subcategory of magical practice in and of itself. I've used this style of working 4 times, each for a different purpose. the first for making an 'astral temple', the other 3 for less common things.

i've no idea how this would tie into physical travel.

This post has been edited by Kath: Oct 11 2009, 09:41 AM

This is something I contemplated myself, but I came to the conclusion that in order for me to send my consciousness to a different time and place, I'd have to forget how I got there, as well as allowing myself to construct a "memory" of the years past in the body I would assume in the new time and place. But that was a little while back. Knowing what I do now, I don't think that would be absolutely necessary, but I can't quite figure out what would happen when I returned. I would assume I would awaken one day and it would appear to have been a dream or maybe find myself in the hospital recovering from a month-long coma or something. What happens to the body residing in the here and now while you're out on your vacation? You need to either create an explanation so it doesn't appear magical to the non-believers here, or allow the non-believers to deny your claims (ie dream or coma or drug use or insanity).

I don't believe there are any limits here, so to answer your question, yes it's possible. Perhaps intense concentration and preparation for shifting realms could be actualized by a suicide in this realm, but if you don't believe that and/or can't see why it would work, you probably shouldn't attempt that. I can't really help you other than reassuring you that whatever you plan WILL work, if you cover your bases and THINK it will work.

If you came back from that dream your body will always wake you up. yo go to the toilet or something.
Even if you could train to transfer memory from dream to reality like dream recal You would remember more if your completly lucid.

What about mummification is that some part of preserving the organs that give chackra energy and store it so that the person can use it in the other realms to link the body, ancient mystics talk about Immortality. Like the ancient egypt. to preserve your soul. amd spirit.

The Buddhist book ot the dead talk about attaining enlightenment right before your death.

Interesting idea.

The idea of using magic to physically travel from one place to another would be a legendary magical undertaking. Think of it like this: if winning the lottery was easy magic, every magician would be a millionaire. But there are massive probabilities to overcome with winning the lottery. That's a very acute, specific desire that is very hard to attain, and so therefore would take quite a bit of really awesome, weapons-grade magic.

To physically move yourself to a different place in existence would be, well, ridiculously difficult, bordering on impossible.

Of course, that said, nothing is straight up impossible. Extremely unlikely to the point of ridiculousness, yes. Straight up, 100%, bonafide impossible? No. We affect reality every day, we're magicians, after all.

With this task you really get a sense of humility. Most of us like to think of ourselves as great magi, when really even the most experienced of us are likely no more than dabblers into the magical world. I know that's all I can truly claim. So whenever we talk about things like this, we have to keep in mind that only someone of great talent, power, and dedication might even have the slightest, one in a google shot of pulling something like this off.

In any case, the process would be more complex than could be described on a forum post.

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That said, KICK LOGIC TO THE CURB AND DO THE IMPOSSIBLE! Make me eat my words.

As for a pocket dimension to get the trick done, I think that'd be a difficult, roundabout way to do it(hypothetically assuming any of us had such ability). Why not just bend higher dimensions(not astral dimensions, spatial dimensions, y'know: M Theory?) and move through them that way?

This video series might give you some interesting ideas:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA The man has a whole series of quantum/M Theory related videos that explain intuitively some of the stranger theories of contemporary science and spatial dimensions. Granted, good magicians should never base their beliefs entirely in current scientific ideals, because those are bound to change. It's better to use them as a jumping point; for inspiration.

Go get 'em, tiger.

A "pocket realm".
You own astral Tardis.
From within you can open a door anywhere you like in space, in time, in spirit.
Uru, I choose to see your absence as evidence of your success.
Don't tell anyone how you did it.
Good journey!