Wendigo Options

Does anyone has any experience with Wendigo? This Native American Indian evil spirit is of great interest to me.
It feels creepy just by thinking about it.Supposedly it is either evil spirit or human transformed in it by black magic,it feasts on human flesh and/or foretells and inflicts death.
Most likely it is some kind of evil spirit but powerful enough to take physical form if need arises.

Does anyone has any experience with Wendigo? This Native American Indian evil spirit is of great interest to me.
It feels creepy just by thinking about it.Supposedly it is either evil spirit or human transformed in it by black magic,it feasts on human flesh and/or foretells and inflicts death.
Most likely it is some kind of evil spirit but powerful enough to take physical form if need arises.

First of all you should undersatnd Native Americans are not all one people. There are many different tribes/ethnic groups. Not all have wendigo in their mythology or religious cosmology.

The Wendigo is manily a a far northern thing. Its believe mostly with tribal people up in the far north in Canada. Such as the Cree tribe.

This post has been edited by Jenfucius: Feb 16 2009, 07:40 PM

First of all you should undersatnd Native Americans are not all one people. There are many different tribes/ethnic groups. Not all have wendigo in their mythology or religious cosmology.

The Wendigo is manily a a far northern thing. Its believe mostly with tribal people up in the far north in Canada. Such as the Cree tribe.

I know but for my question,that is not relevant.

I said it because it could be misleading for those reading it (among other things).
It helps those who might want to do some more research about Wendigos. Different tribes have different names for Wendigo like creatures. Maybe others had encounters with identical creatures but but only knows them by other names. There is where the value of accurate research comes in handy. Maybe someone might come to the table with more tasty information from their research for us.

This post has been edited by Jenfucius: Feb 17 2009, 05:03 PM

I said it because it could be misleading for those reading it (among other things).
It helps those who might want to do some more research about Wendigos. Different tribes have different names for Wendigo like creatures. Maybe others had encounters with identical creatures but but only knows them by other names. There is where the value of accurate research comes in handy. Maybe someone might come to the table with more tasty information from their research for us.

I found out a one account of encounter with Wendigo like entity,it was extremely powerful and caused a snow storm in a city after a ritual being performed to summon it.

I found out a one account of encounter with Wendigo like entity,it was extremely powerful and caused a snow storm in a city after a ritual being performed to summon it.

I have stories or cases of wendigo entity persuading people to commit murder when they are isolated in the wilderness. From what I have also heard these creatures are difficult to hunt down by medicine people.

I have stories or cases of wendigo entity persuading people to commit murder when they are isolated in the wilderness. From what I have also heard these creatures are difficult to hunt down by medicine people.

From the experience I know of,and some things I found on the Internet,I think that it is some kind of demonic entity,but enormously powerful,and I dont doubt it can take physical form when wants to.This experience I am referring to,was overwhelming,like the entity is immensely powerful.Knowing this,I am sure the medicine men have hard time hunting it down,if that is at all possible.Because this entity seems like being too powerful to control.

Just try not to get killed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If he is so powerfull, he might be too strong for you. And remember that our logic does not work with spirits and demons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Just try not to get killed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If he is so powerfull, he might be too strong for you. And remember that our logic does not work with spirits and demons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Sure.I wont try a full invocation immediately,first more "easier" work with Wendigo.

This post has been edited by AncientOne: Mar 16 2009, 08:19 AM

i asked around my budz and this is what i got

it is the cannibal spirit that comes upon one, indicated by when they suddenly begin to think of eating other people (no matter if they're hungry or not)

and an image of what looked like the red house ski touring area in new york state (out of my memory)

interesting...related to vamp?

googley grits:
may be related to the cold exposure triggering the level of fat in the body, or the hormones that regulate the fat, and a sudden desire to add to one's fat as a survival mechanism, and the closest meal is the human nearby

perhaps the legend is a boogieman to warn venturers into the cold north to beware the cannibal spirit coming upon them - a handful of stories of campers and hunters eating their companions

"Wendigo, Witigo, Witiko and Wee-Tee-Go but each of them was roughly translated to mean "the evil spirit that devours mankind". Around 1860, a German explorer translated Wendigo to mean "cannibal" among the tribes along the Great Lakes" - a common-ness to the names suggests a named entity - http://www.prairieghosts.com/wendigo.html

stories get all mixed up with sasquatch

that should get you started,
es

cherokee dictionary says: cannibals = yv-wi-gi-s-gi - way too similar for coincidence
let me know what you get, please, becoming interested in the entity itself - hopefully without a taste for human flesh occurring as it manifests

WINTIGO, WI' NTSIGO (Algonquin, witiku: "evil spirit, cannibal"):

the whole area of the wisconsin dells is saturated with such stuff:
"Plainfield, Wisconsin - Site of Ed Gein's Cannibal House
Last week my boyfriend and I traveled to Ed Gein's house. We actually used roadsideamerica.com to find the location of his house. It was very helpful.
However, when we got there, all we saw were tons of trees cut down. We were on the corner of Archer and 2nd, and we did see a dirt path, and everything was overgrown. The gate was not locked so we drove through it. It led to an opening where tons of trees were being cut down. Now, either the directions were wrong, or the house was torn down, but we did not see the house Ed Gein lived in. We were told later on that his house had been burned down a couple months after he was arrested. [Amy Nelson, 07/14/2006]
[RA: Ed's house was burned to the ground March 27, 1957, shortly after it was learned that an entrepreneur planned to open it as a tourist attraction called "The House Of Horrors."]
Nearby Offbeat Places
* Cannibal Ed Gein's Grave, Plainfield, WI - 4 mi.
* Boy and the Boot statue, Stevens Point, WI - 24 mi.
* Virgin Mary Appeared Here, Necedah, WI - 25 mi.
* In the region: Strange Giant Farmer, Portage, WI - 49 mi."

"South American Cannibals not Interested in Barry Bonds
Written by Frank Pizarro
Thursday, 28 June 2007
The Cobeus tribe of South America, living deep in the Amazon and feeding occasionally on their enemies, have issued a press release that they are not interesting in devouring baseball great Barry Bonds. This may seem shocking because Bonds has a lot of muscle, which is more nutritious that fat. However, the Cobeus people do not want their meals tainted with steroids and avoid human flesh that has been tainted in any way. In a Real Wisconsin News exclusive, we have discovered that the tribe keeps a bulletin board with photos of people who are allowed safe passage through their domain. Keith Richards and Lindsay Lohan are amongst the celebrities posted. While the mammary is said to be the best meat available on a human, Lohan’s recent transgressions have made her off-limits, just like Bonds.

Through a translator, one tribal elder said, “While Lohan’s presumably natural breasts could feed us for a week, we have to consider the future of our children. This is also why Barry Bonds is no good to us. All of that muscle is a result of testicle-shrinking steroids, and large testicles are a status symbol amongst our people.”

Some Real Wisconsin News readers may be surprised to read that cannibals do in fact exist, and that they seem to know a lot about popular culture. The truth is that the Cobeus use money from the sale of their Amazon land as grazing for fast food cattle to buy satellite TV and watch baseball and other American fare. Apparently, CSI is a hit in many villages, and people clang metal utensils together to announce its broadcast start-times so people can gather in the village square.

Technically, cannibalism is illegal in South America, just like in the United States, but law enforcement officials have had little success in venturing deep into the Amazon jungle and emerging with any evidence or their own skin, so they tend to ignore the practice, similar to how Major League Baseball ignored the steroid use of Barry Bonds and many other marquee players.

This Real Wisconsin News correspondent almost found out first-hand what it is like to be roasted and eaten, for the Cobeus people generally shoot arrows and roast strangers first, and sometimes ask questions later. However, the mention of Milwaukee during the stressful introductions drew excited looks from tribal members, and when a child held up a blond-haired doll and someone said “Dahmer,” I knew I was safe.

Apparently, the Cobeus tribe is known as one of the only cannibal groups to attack others in order to procure food, while other cannibals generally eat the elderly or have some sort of religious theme to their desire to feast on other people. However, with the lack of both other tribes to fight and fervor of missionaries in the region since the Spaniards departed, the tribe has resorted to eating monkeys and the occasional sloth. They’ve even resorted to killing a few of the cattle grazing on the land they’ve sold, but they claim to prefer primates. Technically, sloths aren’t primates, but no news reporter in his right mind is going to argue that one amongst man-eaters, similar to how no reporters discussed steroids when Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa battled for the Roger Maris season homerun crown.

All-in-all, the Cobeus people still live a simple life, not worried about the discovery of two new monkeys in their region, and not worried about whether or not Barry Bonds ever surpasses Hank Aaron as homerun king. They’re happy with their tobacco pouches, primitive tattoos, and the smell of human flesh roasting in their fire pit. Maybe we can all learn a little something from a group of individuals like this. For example, did you know that we taste a lot like fully-developed veal? Really, it’s a mild and good meat, and quite tender. Very much like veal in color, texture, and smell. Or so they told me. "

priceless


This post has been edited by esoterica: Mar 16 2009, 10:44 AM

i asked around my budz and this is what i got

it is the cannibal spirit that comes upon one, indicated by when they suddenly begin to think of eating other people (no matter if they're hungry or not)

and an image of what looked like the red house ski touring area in new york state (out of my memory)

interesting...related to vamp?

googley grits:
may be related to the cold exposure triggering the level of fat in the body, or the hormones that regulate the fat, and a sudden desire to add to one's fat as a survival mechanism, and the closest meal is the human nearby

perhaps the legend is a boogieman to warn venturers into the cold north to beware the cannibal spirit coming upon them - a handful of stories of campers and hunters eating their companions

"Wendigo, Witigo, Witiko and Wee-Tee-Go but each of them was roughly translated to mean "the evil spirit that devours mankind". Around 1860, a German explorer translated Wendigo to mean "cannibal" among the tribes along the Great Lakes" - a common-ness to the names suggests a named entity

stories get all mixed up with sasquatch

that should get you started,
es

The experience I mentioned before concerning certain magicians evoking Wendigo like entity,proves otherwise that the standard lore,the appearance of the entity was similar to one description of Wendigo but its nature had little to do with cannibalistic urges,it was much more like a violent demonic manifestation,that was able to totally control weather.One more thing was in agreement with the supposed nature of Wendigo,urge to kill and destroy after establishing contact with Wendigo,but with no cannibalistic urges.Their experiment proved that something that responds to the Wendigo call is far more than mere legend,it is actually something extremely powerful.So my conclusion is that legends are only partially true,like they usually are only partially true,and that Wendigo is some kind of a powerful demon.He also manifested to them in clearly seen vision by all participants,and some of them didnt have developed clairvoyance,so apparently he was able to influence their minds to a great extent.

neat - perhaps located somewhere north, maybe related to the great lakes?

snow belt and weather comes from the great lakes

makes sense that it would be cannibal as it can possess humans and supposedly usually eats humans

psychology: "The Wendigo (also Windigo, Windago, Windiga, Witiko, Wihtikow, and numerous other variants)[1] is a mythical creature appearing in the mythology of the Algonquin people, who inhabited present-day Quebec. It is a malevolent cannibalistic spirit into which humans could transform, or which could possess humans. Those who indulged in cannibalism were at particular risk, and the legend appears to have reinforced this practice as taboo.

Windigo Psychosis is a culture-bound disorder which involves an intense craving for human flesh and the fear that one will turn into a cannibal. This once occurred frequently among Algonquian Indian cultures, though has declined with the Native American urbanization."

very interesting

"The Wendigo is part of the traditional belief systems of various Algonquian-speaking tribes in the northern United States and Canada, most notably the Ojibwa/Saulteaux, the Cree, and the Innu/Naskapi/Montagnais.[2] Though descriptions varied somewhat, common to all these cultures was the conception of Wendigos as malevolent, cannibalistic supernatural beings (manitous) of great spiritual power.[3] They were strongly associated with the Winter, the North, and coldness, as well as with famine and starvation.[4] Basil Johnston, an Ojibwa teacher and scholar from Ontario, gives one description of how Wendigos were viewed:[5]
“ The Weendigo was gaunt to the point of emaciation, its desiccated skin pulled tautly over its bones. With its bones pushing out against its skin, its complexion the ash gray of death, and its eyes pushed back deep into their sockets, the Weendigo looked like a gaunt skeleton recently disenterred from the grave. What lips it had were tattered and bloody [....] Unclean and suffering from suppurations of the flesh, the Weendigo gave off a strange and eerie odor of decay and decomposition, of death and corruption. ”

At the same time, Wendigos were embodiments of gluttony, greed, and excess; never satisfied after killing and consuming one person, they were constantly searching for new victims. In some traditions, humans who became overpowered by greed could turn into Wendigos; the Wendigo myth thus served as a method of encouraging cooperation and moderation.[6]

Among the Ojibwa, Eastern Cree, Westmain Swampy Cree, and Innu/Naskapi/Montagnais, Wendigos were said to be giants, many times larger than human beings (a characteristic absent from the Wendigo myth in the other Algonquian cultures).[7] Whenever a Wendigo ate another person, they would grow larger, in proportion to the meal they had just eaten, so that they could never be full.[8] Wendigos were thus simultaneously constantly gorging themselves and emaciated from starvation.
edit Human Wendigos

All cultures in which the Wendigo myth appeared shared the belief that human beings could turn into Wendigos if they ever resorted to cannibalism[9] or, alternately, become possessed by the demonic spirit of a Wendigo, often in a dream. Once transformed, a person would become violent and obsessed with eating human flesh. The most frequent cause of transformation into a Wendigo was if a person had resorted to cannibalism, consuming the body of another human in order to keep from starving to death during a time of extreme hardship or famine.[10]

Among northern Algonquian cultures, cannibalism, even to save one's own life, was viewed as a serious taboo; the proper response to famine was suicide or resignation to death.[11] On one level, the Wendigo myth thus worked as a deterrent and a warning against resorting to cannibalism; those who did would become Wendigo monsters themselves.
edit Wendigo ceremony

Among the Assiniboine, the Cree and the Ojibwa, a satirical ceremonial dance was originally performed during times of famine to reinforce the seriousness of the Wendigo taboo. The ceremonial dance, known as a wiindigookaanzhimowin in Ojibwe and today performed as part of the last day activities of the Sun dance, involves wearing a mask and dancing about the drum backwards.[12] The last known Wendigo Ceremony conducted in the United States was at Windigo Lake of Star Island of Cass Lake, located within the Leech Lake Indian Reservation in northern Minnesota.[13]
edit Windigo Psychosis

"Windigo Psychosis" (also spelled many other ways, including "Wendigo Psychosis" and "Witiko Psychosis") refers to a condition in which sufferers developed an insatiable desire to eat human flesh even when other food sources were readily available,[14] often as a result of prior famine cannibalism;[15] Windigo Psychosis is identified by Western psychologists as a culture-bound syndrome, though members of the aboriginal communities in which it existed believed cases literally involved individuals turning into Wendigos. Such individuals generally recognized these symptoms as meaning that they were turning into Wendigos, and often requested to be executed before they could harm others.[16] The most common response when someone began suffering from Windigo Psychosis was curing attempts by traditional native healers or Western doctors. In the unusual cases when these attempts failed, and the Wendigo began either to threaten those around them or to act violently or anti-socially, they were then generally executed.[17] Cases of Windigo Psychosis, though real, were relatively rare, and it was even rarer for them to actually culminate in the execution of the sufferer.[17]

One of the more famous cases of Windigo Psychosis involved a Plains Cree trapper from Alberta, named Swift Runner.[18] During the winter of 1878, Swift Runner and his family were starving, and his eldest son died. Within just 25 miles of emergency food supplies at a Hudson's Bay Company post, Swift Runner butchered and ate his wife and five remaining children.[19] Given that he resorted to cannibalism so near to food supplies, and that he killed and consumed the remains of all those present, it was revealed that Swift Runner's was not a case of pure cannibalism as a last resort to avoid starvation, but rather a man suffering from Windigo Psychosis.[19] He eventually confessed, and was executed by authorities at Fort Saskatchewan.[20] Another well-known case involving Windigo Psychosis was that of Jack Fiddler, an Oji-Cree chief and shaman, known for his powers at defeating Wendigos. In some cases this entailed euthanizing people suffering from Windigo Psychosis; as a result, in 1907, Fiddler and his brother Joseph were arrested by the Canadian authorities for murder. Jack committed suicide, but Joseph was tried and put to death.[21]

Fascination with Windigo Psychosis among Western ethnographers, psychologists, and anthropologists led to a hotly debated controversy in the 1980s over the historicity of this phenomenon. Some researchers argued that Windigo Psychosis was essentially a fabrication, the result of naive anthropologists taking stories related to them at face value.[22] Others, however, pointed to a number of credible eyewitness accounts, both by Algonquians and by Westerners, as proof that Windigo Psychosis was a factual historical phenomenon.[23]

The frequency of Windigo Psychosis cases decreased sharply in the 20th century as boreal Algonquian people came in to greater and greater contact with Western ideologies and more sedentary, less rural lifestyles.[24] While there is substantive evidence to suggest that Windigo Psychosis did exist, a number of questions concerning the condition remain unanswered.
edit " - http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Winidigo#...quian_mythology

wisconsin manitou stones - three round stones piled one upon the other, the smallest on top, to turn into a manitou (bigfoot/sasquatch/yeti) and protect a sacred area - usually made from blue quartz and sometimes brought great distances to the area

so, the visual form of the evocation was a really cold, hungry bigfoot?

neat - perhaps located somewhere north, maybe related to the great lakes?

snow belt and weather comes from the great lakes


so, the visual form of the evocation was a really cold, hungry bigfoot?

No.This was performed in Europe.The form they saw roughly corresponds to this description you gave

"Basil Johnston, an Ojibwa teacher and scholar from Ontario, gives one description of how Wendigos were viewed:[5]
“ The Weendigo was gaunt to the point of emaciation, its desiccated skin pulled tautly over its bones. With its bones pushing out against its skin, its complexion the ash gray of death, and its eyes pushed back deep into their sockets, the Weendigo looked like a gaunt skeleton recently disenterred from the grave. What lips it had were tattered and bloody [....] Unclean and suffering from suppurations of the flesh, the Weendigo gave off a strange and eerie odor of decay and decomposition, of death and corruption. ”

interesting remote session

spirit of the north (as in earth upper hemisphere) - spirit of the spear? ('killing death' as its normal nature)

like a djinn of the north (really doesn't like humans - lots of those around now), maybe under the earth or lake, like the 4 under the euphrates

i sincerely doubt that this one is bound, and if it is in the tablets it must be called something else (no laycock here to look)

whole bunches of databursts about magnetic lines and changes and interference? almost like a cage perhaps?

there is another to the south

working on a guarded meet and greet

interesting remote session

spirit of the north (as in earth upper hemisphere) - spirit of the spear? ('killing death' as its normal nature)

like a djinn of the north (really doesn't like humans - lots of those around now), maybe under the earth or lake, like the 4 under the euphrates

i sincerely doubt that this one is bound, and if it is in the tablets it must be called something else (no laycock here to look)

whole bunches of databursts about magnetic lines and changes and interference? almost like a cage perhaps?

there is another to the south

working on a guarded meet and greet

Tablets? Enochian?

first contact notes

in silhouette first, then a husk, wind-dried, freeze-dried-coffee skin, death-rattle voice like shaking dud popcorn, a smell like freezer-burnt meat

moisture wicked away quickly, projects a fear of hunger, a black-annie-type thoughtform - operates on moisture?

responds to air, earth, water, and fire - drain as opposed to source - it successfully darkened the room

utterly mad, like the biblical possessing-spirit 'legion' in the graveyard - tearing at itself and blathering on - perhaps once alive

not very able to have conversation, and not vampiric per se, more like a sinkhole

takes only what is given, but begs incessantly for more, promising anything - insatiable hunger without ceasing - called by vulnerability

unreliable and unstable - mildly interesting, but not good for much except maybe humidity control - something to try outside in july maybe, but you'd have to feed it constantly to keep it active enough to perform any task

first contact notes

in silhouette first, then a husk, wind-dried, freeze-dried-coffee skin, death-rattle voice like shaking dud popcorn, a smell like freezer-burnt meat

moisture wicked away quickly, projects a fear of hunger, a black-annie-type thoughtform - operates on moisture?

responds to air, earth, water, and fire - drain as opposed to source - it successfully darkened the room

utterly mad, like the biblical possessing-spirit 'legion' in the graveyard - tearing at itself and blathering on - perhaps once alive

not very able to have conversation, and not vampiric per se, more like a sinkhole

takes only what is given, but begs incessantly for more, promising anything - insatiable hunger without ceasing - called by vulnerability

unreliable and unstable - mildly interesting, but not good for much except maybe humidity control - something to try outside in july maybe, but you'd have to feed it constantly to keep it active enough to perform any task

This significantly differs from their experience where the entity was intelligent,powerful and demanded no "food".Apparently you and they didnt contact the same entity.That is an interesting dilemma with "different" experiences with supposedly the same entity.Are all those experiences really with the same entity,but its manifestation colored by the summoner's conscious and subconscious complexes,or different entities responding to the same name,or some nearby entity was masquerading as the entity that is invoked.This is a very interesting question in my opinion,as why do experiences with supposedly the same entity,can be vastly different from one another.I would go with the explanation of manifestations colored by conscious or subconscious complexes/ideas/expectation of the summoner.Some claim that many evocations and invocations didnt really contact the entity they should,but instead they conjured astral deception projected by the summoner's subconscious mind.The difference between a real evocation and astral deception can be usually distinguished by the great power present in the true evocation causing phenomena of a physical nature to happen,like movement of objects,fires out of nowhere etc.Astral deception cannot produce that.In my observance of supposed evocations and invocations by the people I met or read descriptions of the process,I would verify that many of such evocations and invocations conjured nothing more than astral deception/thoughtform.

This significantly differs from their experience where the entity was intelligent,powerful and demanded no "food".Apparently you and they didnt contact the same entity.That is an interesting dilemma with "different" experiences with supposedly the same entity.Are all those experiences really with the same entity,but its manifestation colored by the summoner's conscious and subconscious complexes,or different entities responding to the same name,or some nearby entity was masquerading as the entity that is invoked.This is a very interesting question in my opinion,as why do experiences with supposedly the same entity,can be vastly different from one another.I would go with the explanation of manifestations colored by conscious or subconscious complexes/ideas/expectation of the summoner.Some claim that many evocations and invocations didnt really contact the entity they should,but instead they conjured astral deception projected by the summoner's subconscious mind.The difference between a real evocation and astral deception can be usually distinguished by the great power present in the true evocation causing phenomena of a physical nature to happen,like movement of objects,fires out of nowhere etc.Astral deception cannot produce that.In my observance of supposed evocations and invocations by the people I met or read descriptions of the process,I would verify that many of such evocations and invocations conjured nothing more than astral deception/thoughtform.

'first contact', not evocation - - my methods are my own and more blavatsky than bardon, so i am not surprised at the difference

i developed the remote connection to the 'wi-ti-go' that is like a djinn under the lake in the north, so indeed they may have worked with a different entity

since it wasn't on the astral it couldn't have been an astral deception, but i know what you are taking about there and i agree and we have discussed this at length before

also remember that i am not commanding the entity, but using the gateway to bring us together, directed by the remotely-defined connection, just the entity is under guard in this case - if i pop in and have a chat with you, even with guards present, you may react differently than if you were commandingly and summarily 'summoned' by another operator, and that operator was seeking information on what power you had, etc, would you react the same?

and perhaps i got the 'outer' manifestation and they got the 'inner' one?

who knows, anyway it was mildly interesting

'first contact', not evocation - - my methods are my own and more blavatsky than bardon, so i am not surprised at the difference

i developed the remote connection to the 'wi-ti-go' that is like a djinn under the lake in the north, so indeed they may have worked with a different entity

since it wasn't on the astral it couldn't have been an astral deception, but i know what you are taking about there and i agree and we have discussed this at length before

also remember that i am not commanding the entity, but using the gateway to bring us together, directed by the remotely-defined connection, just the entity is under guard in this case - if i pop in and have a chat with you, even with guards present, you may react differently than if you were commandingly and summarily 'summoned' by another operator, and that operator was seeking information on what power you had, etc, would you react the same?

and perhaps i got the 'outer' manifestation and they got the 'inner' one?

who knows, anyway it was mildly interesting

Well,we wont probably ever know why something happens this way to one person,and in that way to another person.It all comes down to what "you",I dont here mean specifically you,experience and kind of results can you obtain.What some other person experienced with the supposedly same entity,is of little practical value,in most cases.They are useful if you are gathering informations on an entity and preparing the first summoning of the entity,but if you already summoned it then there is not much "use" for experiences of other magicians,except as something to ponder about and see whether that will change your next experience with the same entity.